Polio boycott is 'unforgivable'

[Silent_One]

This is just so infuriating. God, how blind can leaders be?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3488806.stm

A senior United Nations official has condemned Nigerian states that have refused to take part in a mass immunisation drive against polio.
"It is unforgivable to allow still more children to be paralysed because of... baseless rumours," said UN Children's Fund head Carol Bellamy. Some Muslim clerics say the vaccine is a western plot to make women infertile

"It is a lesser of two evils to sacrifice two, three, four, five, even 10 children (to polio) than allow hundreds of thousands or possibly millions of girl-children likely to be rendered infertile," Kano state Governor Ibrahim Shekarau told the AP news agency.

The mainly Muslim states of Zamfara and Kano have refused to take part in this week's vaccination campaign.

Two other states, Niger and Bauchi, which had signalled they would not take part, have now joined the drive.

Health experts point out that children elsewhere are no longer immunised, so if the disease is not contained it could spread rapidly around the world.

 

[Natoma]

And here I was hoping Mugabe was one of a kind in the idiocy department. Yet another strike against african leadership.

 

[Legion]

Not surprising at all when leaders in africa have said AIDs medication is apart of a conspiracy to wipe out the african blacks.

Why woudl the rest of the world bother? They are doing a better job themselves...leave them a few years to their mindless superstitions and mythical cures for HIV and they will do themselves in.

 

[L233]

Why woudl the rest of the world bother? They are doing a better job themselves...leave them a few years to their mindless superstitions and mythical cures for HIV and they will do themselves in.

Why should we bother? Hm, maybe because we have a moral obligation. Those "they" you are refering to, who are they? The general population or their idiot political and religious leaders?

Africa has been fucked up by European colonialism but after 50 or more years of independence it is kinda disheartening to see that there is still such a mess.

Most former colonies and protectorates in north Africa, the Middle East and Asia have formed more or less stable states in a matter of months after they have won their independence. Few of them are big on freedom and democracy and all that shit but at least they are functional states enabling their citizens to live their lives with a certain degree of peace and security.

Why can't they pull it off in sub-saharan Africa?

 

[Legion]

Why should we bother? Hm, maybe because we have a moral obligation. Those "they" you are refering to, who are they? The general population or their idiot political and religious leaders?

Did it cross you mind i was being sarcastic? Reread my previous statement.

-I wouldn't say the average believer in africa was more than a stone throw away from the idiocy of their religious leaders....a cultural matter, but i digress. This kind of crap was there before the Euros ever arrived. Even Olaudah is forced to admitt this despite his attempts to rationalize it.

Not surprising at all when leaders in africa have said AIDs medication is apart of a conspiracy to wipe out the african blacks.

The following statments which you quoted were reflecting upon their propaganda as if it were true.

Africa has been fucked up by European colonialism but after 50 or more years of independence it is kinda disheartening to see that there is still such a mess.

And the African's efforts as well.

Simply taking the obvious route after analyzing the information we can derive that leaders such as Mugabe are using the ignorance of their populas to fuel their land grabs and abuses against african whites by feeding the overwhelmingly black majority this kind of bullshit propaganda. There is no telling the kind of damage this shit will do.

who knows, maybe if this kind of rhetoric continues and strengthens we will see the rise of anti-european terrorist groups within Africa.

My major question is if this is so unforgivable...what are we going to do about it?

 

[epicstruggle]

Im going to throw this out, dont shoot me.

Is this one of the consequences of sharia(sp?) law. Nigeria, to my knowledge is mostly run under this muslim law guide.

later,
epic

 

[Legion]

Im going to throw this out, dont shoot me.

Is this one of the consequences of sharia(sp?) law. Nigeria, to my knowledge is mostly run under this muslim law guide.

later,
epic

i do not undertand what you are emphasizing. Is there something unique about this state being a religiously oppressive state much like many other muslim nations?

 

[horvendile]

Is this one of the consequences of sharia(sp?) law.

In a way, yes I would say so. I have no idea if it is a direct consequence of Sharia law text, but to my understanding the whole ruckus is lead by the local religious leaders.

 

[StefanS]

Im going to throw this out, dont shoot me.
Is this one of the consequences of sharia(sp?) law. Nigeria, to my knowledge is mostly run under this muslim law guide.

I don't know, but what would be bad about swallowing a piece of sugar with some medicine on it?

 

[epicstruggle]

i do not undertand what you are emphasizing. Is there something unique about this state being a religiously oppressive state much like many other muslim nations?

To the best of my knowledge, this is one of the first nations to transition to this very strict law, in the last few years (decades?). Nigeria, has been run under english law and the shift of power to religious leaders is disheartening to me. Nigeria is also where they wanted to stone to death a women for having a baby out of wedlock, but felt the man had no responsibility.

later,
epic

 

[StefanS]

i do not undertand what you are emphasizing. Is there something unique about this state being a religiously oppressive state much like many other muslim nations?

To the best of my knowledge, this is one of the first nations to transition to this very strict law, in the last few years (decades?). Nigeria, has been run under english law and the shift of power to religious leaders is disheartening to me. Nigeria is also where they wanted to stone to death a women for having a baby out of wedlock, but felt the man had no responsibility.

To be more exact: The sharia is not in place in the whole country, just in the northern parts.

 

[epicstruggle]

i do not undertand what you are emphasizing. Is there something unique about this state being a religiously oppressive state much like many other muslim nations?

To the best of my knowledge, this is one of the first nations to transition to this very strict law, in the last few years (decades?). Nigeria, has been run under english law and the shift of power to religious leaders is disheartening to me. Nigeria is also where they wanted to stone to death a women for having a baby out of wedlock, but felt the man had no responsibility.

To be more exact: The sharia is not in place in the whole country, just in the northern parts.

if you read my first post on this i do mention that its "mostly" run by it. BTW i havent done a census count so I dont know an actual percentage.

later,

 

[Mariner]

I'm not even sure that Nigeria is 'mostly' under Sharia law.

If I remember correctly, Nigeria is about 50-50 Muslims and Christians something which, unfortunately, is leading to problems in many areas.

 

[StefanS]

I'm not even sure that Nigeria is 'mostly' under Sharia law.

If I remember correctly, Nigeria is about 50-50 Muslims and Christians something which, unfortunately, is leading to problems in many areas.

It's just the northern 2 or 3 provinces.

 

[Guden Oden]

Why can't they pull it off in sub-saharan Africa?

Hm, maybe because many companies and countries are quite eager to stir up trouble just so they can sell weapons to warring factions - or the other way around, selling weapons into already stirred-up trobule thus keeping it stirred-up.

We know some multinational companies are guilty of basically starting wars to lay their hands on African natural resources, French oil company Elf, for example is one such.

 

[L233]

Hm, maybe because many companies and countries are quite eager to stir up trouble just so they can sell weapons to warring factions - or the other way around, selling weapons into already stirred-up trobule thus keeping it stirred-up.

We know some multinational companies are guilty of basically starting wars to lay their hands on African natural resources, French oil company Elf, for example is one such.

I frankly don't believe in a company's ability to start a civil war, sorry. Also, business likes stability and not perpetual unrest and war.

The sale of weapons to impoverished countries is hardly big business for Europeans or Americans because those people can't afford FN-F2000s, G36s, SA80s and M-16s, they usually buy AKs.

 

[Guden Oden]

I frankly don't believe in a company's ability to start a civil war, sorry.

Wether you "believe in" it or not does not change the fact it has happened.

Also, business likes stability and not perpetual unrest and war.

A stable government would be able to place tougher demands on businesses wrt. taxation, environmental concerns etc. Multinational companies are only too happy to crap all over third-world countries if it means they can earn a buck. This is all fact, denying it is pointless.

The sale of weapons to impoverished countries is hardly big business for Europeans or Americans

US and Euros are not the only ones selling weapons you know. Besides, guerilla groups happily trade weapons for ivory or diamonds or such as well, hard currency is not a requirement in this business.

 

[Legion]

i would believe the prime manufacturer of AK-47/74s is still russia. I suppose they could get these firearms from anywhere, including other african countries.

Personally i do not see these matters as generated by an oustide force. I see african violence to have far more internal then external stimuli.

 

[Druga Runda]

ah it is always a bit of both, but internal has to thake the more important role in stimulating a conflict. Some external parties will always find an "useful" use in a conflict such as making money while other slaughter each other...

but regardless of that it is the beliefs of the majority of people who make the governments into what they are... and sadly Africans just seem to in general support the wrong guys, and even than there is some rebellions and all kind of nasty power grabbing going on. Btw... how many stable countries there are in sub saharan africa?

Kameroon, Senegal, perhaps Tanzania and Malavi any others?

The ones that I can remember with some kind of larger scale trouble
Zaire, Rwanda, Angola, Mozambique, Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Kenya (internal political problems AFAIK), Zimbabwe, South Africa - worlds worst crime rate & AIDS) Nigeria, Liberia, Gambia/Gabon, Sierra Leone... bloody hell that's what it sounds like.

 

[StefanS]

i would believe the prime manufacturer of AK-47/74s is still russia. I suppose they could get these firearms from anywhere, including other african countries.

Actually there're a lot of AK versions (Russian, Chinese etc.). I even watched a documentation about a valley in Pakistan, where local craftsmen manually copy AKs including their registration number.