Er... how about starting it? Less than two weeks until the release...
Pachter's 2008 hardware sales forecast
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Er... how about starting it? Less than two weeks until the release...
In the UK, which is no basis for the rest of Europe which MS claim they are winning in the article Shifty posted.
If MS cannot even overtake the PS3 in the UK it's European "stronghold", they aren't going to be doing so in the rest of Europe.
They claimed they were winning in terms of install base, not current sales, which for all we know is true. And we don't know if sales are exceeding PS3's or not in the UK - we don't have figures. I guess not though, or MS would have made mention of that in their press release though. But the point is, and has always been regards PS3 beating XB360 worldwide or territorially, the install base advantage XB360 has over PS3 isn't diminishing at a great rate, so XB360 remains on top and will do so for years unless things have a dramatic change. The only plus point regards PS3 in that respect is that if the much cheaper XB360 isn't dominating the market, a lower price PS3 might well do.
Pardon my french, but WTF? X360 still has the lead in both the UK and in Europe as a whole, so it's the PS3 who has to take over.
Then we can start talking about the vast X360 lead in the US.
Johnny Awesome
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Wow. MS is doing better again in Europe. Good for them. It seems that PS3 will take years to catch the X360 outside of Japan. The generation will practically be over by then I imagine.
Ohh how the times have changed when a playstation console claims "victory" for second place.
I highly doubt Sony is going to get sucked into the same strategy MS used last generation, who scratched and clawed to claim second last generation only to find themselves in a 4 billion dollar hole. Its makes even less sense when you when you consider that the third place finisher last generation didn't eat billions in losses and is currently first this generation.
Sony will be best served by finding the strategy that maximizes the profit potential of the PS3, whether that lands them into first, second or third place is irrelevant. Your place in the market isn't determined by PR statements, its determined by brand, hardware/software features, library, price and timing.
This console "war" is pointless a lot of times. You can be successful in an industry without being the "leading" product.
Not in the eyes of fanboys.....
To be fair, double sales is meaningless. If XB360 were to triple it's sales in Japan with a big PR banner, it'd still amount to nothing. Furthermore outlining the best LTD sales doesn't tell you how well you're selling at the moment which reflects on future position. eg If XB360 sold 5 million in year one, then dropped to 1000 a month after that while the competition sells 200k a month, a doubling to 2000 a month would allow a press release of "We've doubled monthly sales and are number one in LTD in the territory!" yet the platform could still be 'dead' regards sales and set to 'lose' the territory.
Not that I think this is happening regards XB360, nor that I even rate 'losing' as anything to care about for any platform as long as its successful enough to supply the people who bought one the experience they wanted when they bought it. Only pointing out bolding parts of this PR statement doesn't show a healthy current position for the platform. A statement 'we're outselling PS3' would have been a far stronger statement, and I can only guess by its absence MS either don't know or are still selling less.
An other time you right Shifty! How do you that! 
All these PR statement from all the three competitors are 90% of the time BS… it's the game.
This PR of MS is a answer of the last PR of Sony who claims GT5p was 1 million pre-order for EU… but two weeks after the launch we don't have the PR of GT5p selled 1 million…
That's be a logical PR for a game pre-order to 1 million, no?
I don't say GT5p don't sell well, last estimation I known was 600 000 copies (not include download normally) after two weeks so great sells than over PS3's exclu and GT5p probably reach the 1 million but take more time than the PR of Sony let thinking…May be the announcement arrive.
They all (the Three "Stooges") arrange "the bride" to be more beautiful… is also a part of the game…
I don't like that but a great part of my old job was to (also) arrange "the bride"… if you don't make this, you lost… 'cause at least one of your competitors may do this… So, everybody to this…
All these PR statement from all the three competitors are 90% of the time BS… it's the game.
This PR of MS is a answer of the last PR of Sony who claims GT5p was 1 million pre-order for EU… but two weeks after the launch we don't have the PR of GT5p selled 1 million…
That's be a logical PR for a game pre-order to 1 million, no?
I don't say GT5p don't sell well, last estimation I known was 600 000 copies (not include download normally) after two weeks so great sells than over PS3's exclu and GT5p probably reach the 1 million but take more time than the PR of Sony let thinking…May be the announcement arrive
.They all (the Three "Stooges") arrange "the bride" to be more beautiful… is also a part of the game…
I don't like that but a great part of my old job was to (also) arrange "the bride"… if you don't make this, you lost… 'cause at least one of your competitors may do this… So, everybody to this…
absolutely and I agree
but my statement was more a commentary on the foolish assumption that 360 was losing the market share for 2nd place
in other WW regions and it was a forgone conclusion due to some undocumented nor accurately detailed PS3 sales trending or PR statements as well.To be fair double sales is not meaningless, its just not definitive. MS, Sony or Nintendo are not going to release a "double sales" PR statement in area where their console is doing abysmal. The situation in japan is a far cry than the one that exist in Europe so any PR strategy for each region would be different. The purpose of the PR statement, is that price cut has had a positive influence on 360 sales in a market that is being highly contested and the 360 console is, in no way, dead.
The only way to see how well MS is doing versus Sony is too look at the shipment numbers from the quarterly statements. You're not going to get a lot b#ll $h!@ there so those numbers represent the best way to see sales performance worldwide.
I agree given the current situation where the second and third place consoles have stronger libraries and feature sets then their counterparts from last generation, choosing a 2nd or third place consoles doesn't present the level of limitation or restriction presented by the GC or the Xbox1.
well this is obviously not talking about the number of consoles, im guessing number one in revenue of consoles+games+peripherals combined
why its not number one in console sales in europe?
its only broken the 2million barrier in the UK this month, the wii surpassed that barrier back in january.
in percentage terms the UK is close to the xbox360 best market
im looking forward to the spin tommorrow when NPD numbers come out
always good for a laugh
why its not number one in console sales in europe?
its only broken the 2million barrier in the UK this month, the wii surpassed that barrier back in january.
in percentage terms the UK is close to the xbox360 best market
im looking forward to the spin tommorrow when NPD numbers come out
always good for a laugh
iceberg187
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http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/867/867462p1.html
NPD Reports Nintendo Finished March with Top Game, Top Hardware
Wii and Brawl own the month.
US, April 17, 2008 - In March, Nintendo again defined industry momentum in both home and portable video games sales, according to the independent NPD Group, which monitors retail activity in the video game industry. More than 720,000 Wii systems sold in March, representing the highest monthly sales total outside of holiday months (November or December) to date, while Nintendo DS™ also sold through nearly 700,000 systems.
Nintendo also finished with the top-selling U.S. game of March. Super Smash Bros. Brawl, which launched March 9, came in at No. 1 with 2.7 million units sold.
"Nintendo systems represented 58 percent of all video game hardware sold in March in the United States," said Cammie Dunaway, Nintendo of America's executive vice president of Sales & Marketing. "We expect our momentum to continue with big upcoming game launches like Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, Mario Kart Wii and Wii Fit."
Other March U.S. statistics, according to NPD, include:
Three Wii games finished in the top 10, including Super Smash Bros. Brawl at No. 1, Wii Play™ at No. 4, and Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock at No. 7. Nintendo DS has now sold more than 19 million units in the United States alone since it launched in November 2004.
NPD Reports Nintendo Finished March with Top Game, Top Hardware
Wii and Brawl own the month.
US, April 17, 2008 - In March, Nintendo again defined industry momentum in both home and portable video games sales, according to the independent NPD Group, which monitors retail activity in the video game industry. More than 720,000 Wii systems sold in March, representing the highest monthly sales total outside of holiday months (November or December) to date, while Nintendo DS™ also sold through nearly 700,000 systems.
Nintendo also finished with the top-selling U.S. game of March. Super Smash Bros. Brawl, which launched March 9, came in at No. 1 with 2.7 million units sold.
"Nintendo systems represented 58 percent of all video game hardware sold in March in the United States," said Cammie Dunaway, Nintendo of America's executive vice president of Sales & Marketing. "We expect our momentum to continue with big upcoming game launches like Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, Mario Kart Wii and Wii Fit."
Other March U.S. statistics, according to NPD, include:
Three Wii games finished in the top 10, including Super Smash Bros. Brawl at No. 1, Wii Play™ at No. 4, and Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock at No. 7. Nintendo DS has now sold more than 19 million units in the United States alone since it launched in November 2004.
iceberg187
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