One last thing I can reveal about NV30...

I'd like to hear about your info from AMD too.

 

Right I will tell you guys, next year sometime.

Just kidding. I'll post it in about 30 minutes. I hope you guys like what information I managed to gain. 8)

Like I said it's a new thread.. but before I post it I need to ask DaveBaumann/Kristoff etc - I don't want them to get into trouble.

 

Well i've heard that the original date was around mid-August... do the math by yourself then

 

This thread is being hijacked! AHHHHHHhhh . . . I would like to know, too.

 

Yep I hijacked it.
Soon I will have my own thread and you will all Respect Me (TM)

You can hijack that thread as well if you really want to.

Update: Sorry guys you will have to wait a little longer for the information. Real life just got in the way. Doomtrooper and Qroach, my AMD source in fact had the most to say.. Thanks for waiting with Baited Breath (TM), but soon All Shall Be Revealed (TM)

 

Did SiS and Trident help you come up with those trademarks?

 

OhMyGod(TM) this VapourThread (TM) was hijacked!!!
MyReliableSource (TM) says YouMustBeJocking(TM)
And ICantTalkAboutItBecauseIAmUnderNDA(TM)

 

What? You mean Nvidia are going to announce the NV30 along with working samples and have it available for purchase 30 days later.

Maybe if they announce it in November, then they will do it "like ATI announced R300." Otherwise it'll be the biggest paper launch since I tripped over the dog whilst carrying my paper recyling to the car.

 

Well yes that was my school of thought. They say that Imitation is the Sincerest Form of Flattery (TM) ... pokes fun at pascal

I have always wondered who 'They' were.

 

I still think the NV30 is going to be just barely better than the R300.

There's no reason to assume otherwise. Radeon and Geforce 2 were basically on-par. Radeon 8500 and Geforce 3 Ti500 are basically on par (actually if you look now the 8500 can keep up with the Ti4200). The idea that the NV30 is just going to blow the R9700 away, after it already blew the Ti4600 away is just a dream.

I'm sure Nvidia will hype it up (as usual), but it's not going to be anymore earthshattering than their previous "revolutionary" cards.

 

Anyone interested should head on over here:

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=33755#33755

Remember kids, you didn't hear it from me.

 

ill tell you why NV30 will blow away R300. because it is Rampage. if you dont know (may god help you, jk) Rampage is ancient stuff. The Rampage project was to originally produce the sucessor to the original Voodoo Graphics, but due to problem after problem it was continuously delayed and around the time the Voodoo3 came out, the design had to be scrapped because of the impending GeForce. Nevertheless, the Rampage project continued to work on a chip that would change everything. The architecture is really revolutionary in more than just the specs we all see, it has been totally redesigned from the ground up, and i mean totally. Do not confuse this with simply another generation, it is another world. Just look at the 3Dfx bastard chip, the Napalm (half Rampage half Voodoo). Yes, it was inferior in many ways to the competition but only because of its legacy Voodoo tech. However, if you forget about the TnL the VSA-100 / 101 become very superior to all competing products. The Voodoo5 5500 scales with CPUs past 2GHz even. It really was quite incredible for what and when it was.

Alas, i believe there to be a curse on the Rampage and anyone who attempts to create it. Look what it did to 3Dfx. Now, look at all of the problems nVidia is having getting it to work, and look at where the competition is. nVidia could be behind an entire cycle before the Eclipse hits the market in mass. Also look at nVidias main North American card producer- VisionTech. VisionTech also made the high end Elsa cards used for CAD and DCC. it gets worse. the SEC is now investigating nVidia. also the price of nVidia stocks has sunk unbelievably. For those of you not in the US, the SEC has been investigating a lot of companys for fraudulent revenue reports and has totally destroyed a few companys. SEC investigation is very bad, even if they are found innocent.

I'd like to say one more thing: welcome back, Trident.

 

I hope your kidding.

 

"
Maybe if they announce it in November, then they will do it "like ATI announced R300." Otherwise it'll be the biggest paper launch since I tripped over the dog whilst carrying my paper recyling to the car.
"

well who cares?
The majority of people definetly not
Launch is launch no matter if it is on paper or not.
If they launch it on paper it will hold people back from buying a R300 card.
Well that's just fine with me

 

.....the following is an intercepted email message concerning NV30 development:

 

I don't understand this. Fundamentally there sounds like there is virtually no difference in technology between nv30 and R9700. Nobody has come up with anything new. They are just both standard Z-buffered rasterisation engines with Z-features for bandwidth reduction & perf improvement and DX9 support. Both have floating-point; both are fully capable of cinematic rendering.

It would not surprise me in the slightest if R9700 is slightly superior to nv30. Neither would it vice-versa. I expect the difference between the two to be small. Nobody has any reason to believe that either should be faster than the other because one of them DOESN'T EXIST YET!

Everybody reading this, ask yourselves one simple question. Do you believe the hype?

 

I'll tell you what I believe:

The performance difference between NV30 and R-300 will more than likely come down to the difference in core clock and physical bandwidth. Nothing new here.

 

BTW, I believe that the email about 0.13um and cursed tools is a joke. I found it over on silicon investor.

At least I hope its a joke.

 

ROFL!