Official 9800pro specs "leaked" by FIC

[NitroX]

Yeah

You can see Nvidia stumbling (or at least that is the way it seems from what I have been reading) to try to catch up in some way.

Basically seems the NV30 is barely going to be out for a month on its own and the NV31/NV34 will be out.

So they will not catch up till NV35 since the NV31/NV3 are slower/cheaper versions.
and I would not expect the NV35 till 6 months from now (just guessing)
plus Ati on the price performance ratio is doing alot better
I think that Ati will and is getting more out of there cards per clock so does not have to be this high clock speed to beat out teh FX

 

[volt]

I don't think the A98P will be announced anytime soon (meaning a week or two)

 

[demalion]

Those figures would fit nv35 anticipatory thinking.

Could some DDR-II performance characteristics have slipped by you in your considerations of the the memory frequencies that could be handled by the board, MuFu?

 

[IceKnight]

I think its very likely to be true, and very likely to KILL the FX.

 

[NitroX]

Harsh

Kill is such a harsh word
just like the quote "dead dead dead" about NV30 line for this year

 

[Hellbinder]

I don't think the A98P will be announced anytime soon (meaning a week or two)

Unless you have just been told something directly thats not the information i have.

All 3 announced um... Very soon. 2 Released this Month. One released in April.

 

[NitroX]

hmmmm

now wouldn't that be interesting to see that happen

and with Nvidia's announcement coming on Thursday

definetly going to be a good month in terms of announcements in the graphics world

 

[SsP45]

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I don't think the A98P will be announced anytime soon (meaning a week or two)

Unless you have just been told something directly thats not the information i have.

All 3 announced um... Very soon. 2 Released this Month. One released in April.

Have any idea on how much the 460Mhz clocked DDR-II version will cost? Do you think it might approach $450-500 because of 256MB of extremely high-speed RAM?
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Extreme Vaporizer

 

[NitroX]

$$$$

Wow that is like $1000 CDN dollars
well almost

 

[DOOM III]

i dont think R350 need 256bit DDR ram@460MHZ to feed its 8 pipelines @400MHZ.

 

[Bigus Dickus]

I distinctly remember the ATi/JEDEC dude (Joe Macri ?) that demoed the R300 with DDR-II memory on TheScreenSavers last fall making the statement that the R300 core (at its current speed) could use all the extra bandwidth they could feed it. This was in response to a question by Leo asking if it "really needed the extra memory speed."

It could have been PR rubbish, or just an off-the-hip answer that bears no real meaning, but I do remember him saying that.

 

[Sage]

]Its legit.

There are 3 R9800 comming. One with DDR-II.

Thus FIC is very likely talking about that one....

yup, one with "slow" DDR-I, one with faster DDR-I, and one that will make a laughing stock of nVidia.... and ill bet you can get them before you can _actually_ buy NV30's!

 

[V3]

Just out of curiosity what are the size of NV30 and R300 ? (People keep mentioning transistors count)

Also what would be the size of this R350 ? Anyone know ?

 

[MuFu]

I think NV30 has ~125 million transistors, R300 has ~107 million. No idea bout R350.

Those figures would fit nv35 anticipatory thinking.

Could some DDR-II performance characteristics have slipped by you in your considerations of the the memory frequencies that could be handled by the board, MuFu?

I don't think so - I was talking about the DDR-I board, anyway. Don't really know anything about the capabilities of DDR-II samples, sorry, although they can probably hit the limits of current memory technology should they wish (~550MHz). At about 600MHz things will start getting *really* nasty and they'll need a long run in with those Cadence design tools they just aquired.

Now that I think about it, a board with 360MHz DDR-II would probably be outperformed by one with 340MHz, or perhaps even 310MHz DDR-I in a few circumstances. Maybe they found that they had to bump the clockspeed by that much to offset DDR-II latency issues. All will be revealed when Dave downclocks one.

Since we've had no official denial/correction I assume that 460MHz figure is correct.

MuFu.

 

[Evildeus]

Well i don't know, but when we look at rumors i would say 360MHz is more likely. But well, if it's true, would be a killer (in term of performance and money )

 

[tb]

I'm still not sure about the dx9 capabilities of the r350, I think it will have the same dx9 capabilities as the r300 and no extended ps. I have some beta drivers(which supports r9600 PRO(RV350) and TX(R300), r9800(R350), RS300/RS300M) running on my r300, when I use the r350 driver path (through a modified ati2mtag.sys) I get a performance boost esp. with dx9 apps like 3d-mark 03 or ShaderMark.

Thomas

 

[Veridian3]

TB,

Care to post an edited ati2mtag.sys so we can all try it? Or is this functionality only in beta drivers that you cant pass on?

Thanks

Stu

 

[Sabastian]

Jen Hsun must be eating some serious crow over #3.

 

[RussSchultz]

At about 600MHz things will start getting *really* nasty and they'll need a long run in with those Cadence design tools they just aquired.

Eh? The Cadence tools they switched to were ASIC design tools, not PCB design tools.

 

[V3]

I think NV30 has ~125 million transistors, R300 has ~107 million. No idea bout R350.

I mean die area for NV30 and R300. Does anybody know ?