LOL, right. Well I'm sure we will find out by CES 2014 (when real products will likely be announced and demoed based on Kepler.M), but I do think that you will be proven very wrong at that time. Personally I doubt that there will be an ultra low power GPU that can match Kepler.M until second half of 2014.
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LOL, right. Well I'm sure we will find out by CES 2014 (when real products will likely be announced and demoed based on Kepler.M), but I do think that you will be proven very wrong at that time. Personally I doubt that there will be an ultra low power GPU that can match Kepler.M until second half of 2014.
Shield is tied to the refresh cycle of Tegra. While there was a lot of time between Tegra 3 and Tegra 4 (close to 1.5 years in between), there will be relatively little time between Tegra 4 and Tegra 5 (close to 9 months in between).
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Things aren't looking particularly good for Tegra 4. Looks like Nokia has opted for Qualcomm's S800 instead of Tegra 4 for their WinRT slate. WinRT may not be that that big in comparison to the Android market, but it represented a significant volume for Tegra 3 (almost all WinRT devices were Tegra 3 I believe), and one of the few reasons that Nvidia's Tegra division did as well as it did in the last fiscal year.
It makes me wonder if Microsoft may also be going with the S800 instead of Tegra 4. If so, that would put quite the squeeze on Tegra 4 for this fiscal year.
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It makes me wonder if Microsoft may also be going with the S800 instead of Tegra 4. If so, that would put quite the squeeze on Tegra 4 for this fiscal year.
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SB
Brilliantdeve
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Well, if it end up in final product ( with proper implementation ) in 1H 2014
then you' ll right . after see how it will compete against ( G6400 MP4 )
but for 2H 2014 it won't hold up in comparison with Qualcomm Adreno 420 GPU, should be implemented in 20nm even !
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2013/1/30/qualcomms-apq8084-leaks2c-rumored-powerhouse.aspx
if Adreno 420 comes in 20nm, then its too late to compete with Logan. Mass production of 20nm will not be available than very late of 2014. So it will have to face Parker and its ridiculous power efficient Maxwell GPU.
Then you will say that Parker will be late so it will compete with Adreno 520 ! and so on and so on...
Conclusion, better to stick with Logan vs Rogue fight for the coming months
Brilliantdeve
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if Adreno 420 comes in 20nm, then its too late to compete with Logan. Mass production of 20nm will not be available than very late of 2014. So it will have to face Parker and its ridiculous power efficient Maxwell GPU.
Then you will say that Parker will be late so it will compete with Adreno 520 ! and so on and so on...
Conclusion, better to stick with Logan vs Rogue fight for the coming months
No not as you expected you Now Adreno 330 already in the market since June actually !
we have Galaxy S4 LTE-A & Xperia Z Ultra ..
I guess Adreno 420 should be in the by late 1H 2014 or early 2H 2014
There's little point in splitting up SoC power consumption when one part influences another (GPU driver uses CPU cycles, GPU architecture sets memory bandwidth requirements). You can only take the whole package, anyway.
Which would put it right in the middle of Apple's release cycle.
Heh, I don't think that Adreno 420 will be able to keep up with Kepler.M in terms of peak performance level. Keep in mind that Kepler.M has enormous performance headroom. Top-end Kepler.M variants like Shield 2 should approach 400 GFLOPS throughput (for lack of a better performance metric), and top-end Kepler.M tablets should be within ~ 20% of that throughput.
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Yes, that is correct, and that is probably a good thing because the ipad is always an attention-getter. NVIDIA's timing is very good with Kepler.M
Kepler.M started sampling fairly recently (in June or early July IIRC). I would guess that NVIDIA's partners will be ready to show off some designs at CES 2014.
Brilliantdeve
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@ams
how much Logan pack ALUs ?
how much Logan pack ALUs ?
That was already described in the Anandtech article linked earlier. Logan's ULP Kepler GPU will have 192 CUDA "cores" operating at up to ~ 1GHz. The remarkable thing is that this level of peak performance and performance per watt will be achieved in the ultra mobile space on a 28nm fabrication process. Not many people expected that (at least I didn't). For other vendors to match or exceed the peak performance of Logan's Kepler GPU will probably require a somewhat mature 20nm fabrication process, which will not happen until closer to Q4 2014.
french toast
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I have a hard time believing any of nvidias numbers, predictions or what ever...next to worthless.
The claims made about tegra 4 alone compared to what we ended up with is laughable. ..72 "core" gpu is barely any better than the ipad 4s a6x, and gets beaten by a smartphone chip from its main rival.
http://gfxbench.com/compare.jsp?cols=1&D1=Asus+Eee+Pad+(Tegra+4,+retina)
Also, the reference tablet/shield ended up noticeably slower than non nvidia built shipping products, to the surprise to no one, they have no competitve smartphone SOC all of this year and a scarce roster of OEMs lining up to stick a tegra 4 into a tablet.
Next year, unless im mistaken, they wont be moving to 20nm for mobile keplar where as qualcomm likely will for adreno 420, which also likley has more thermal room to play with thanks to the kraits..if clocked at a similar frequency.
Qualcomm is shipping smartphone SOCs today that are likely pushing 120+ gflops on 28nm (adreno 330) exynos 5420 will soon be shipping (smartphone?) With mali t628 mp6 @ 600mhz...pushing out something like 115 gflops also on 28nm.
Rogue will be released soon which will likely smoke both of those...thats this year on 28nm in smartphones.
Even if nvidia is remotely correct about its perfomance boasts (history make me sceptical) its rivals with be pushing hard and will likely match it.
You will note I have not mentioned AMD..another challanger in the tablet space.
Brilliantdeve
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@ ams
I already saw the video you posted earlier and I really impressed about Logan power efficiency against ipad 4 !
Regarding 20nm technology I still believe we'll see it by 2H 2014 even with even with Qualcomm first processor build with ARMv8 ... Qualcomm has been known as first company to bring 28nm to the market and we might experience the same thing with 20nm technology..
more coverage ..
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31552-20nm-mobile-processors-in-2014
I already saw the video you posted earlier and I really impressed about Logan power efficiency against ipad 4 !
Regarding 20nm technology I still believe we'll see it by 2H 2014 even with even with Qualcomm first processor build with ARMv8 ... Qualcomm has been known as first company to bring 28nm to the market and we might experience the same thing with 20nm technology..
more coverage ..
http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31552-20nm-mobile-processors-in-2014
Brilliantdeve
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Adreno 330 has 128 ALUs running at 450MHz
128 ALU x 2GFLOPS x 1.125 x 0.450 = 129.6 GFLOPS
for Adreno 420 we didn't know about exactly, but from the leaks info know it'll run at 500MHz
if Qualcomm leaves the number of ALUs unchanged then we can calculated as :
128 ALU x 2GFLOPS x 1.125 x 0.450 = 144 GFLOPS
~
Now how much we expecting for Rogue & Tegra 4 ?!
Brilliantdeve
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source for APQ9084 + Adreno 420 ..
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