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at the time I joked about the guy receiving an infuriating desert eagle headshot :LOL:
but really, sleep and food deprivation are way too easy to achieve on front of a computer screen.
 
at the time I joked about the guy receiving an infuriating desert eagle headshot :LOL:
but really, sleep and food deprivation are way too easy to achieve on front of a computer screen.

I can almost sort of understand how you might not sleep or eat because you're busy playing a game, but you'd have to be pretty f*****g stupid not to drink some water for 86 hours, especially since you don't even have to stop playing.
 
I don't understand how you die from something before becoming incapacitated enough to stop playing. Do you instantly go from playing to dead? :smile:

It's hard to say without knowing the conditions leading up to his death or even the cause of death...

But it isn't like it's unknown for people to die in a relatively short amount of time. If you combine high temperatures (exacerbated if it's also high humidity) coupled with not taking in water for a few hours high heartrate due to activity/tension, etc. it's easy to have a heatstroke and die. As the first example off the top of my head, look at Woodstock '99 (http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/08/woodstock_99_legacy_a_lawsuit.html )

Sure the conditions were more extreme, but it was also a far shorter time. I could certainly imagine if this were a 3rd rate establishment possibly using just fans instead of airconditioning (not uncommon at the time) with heat buildup not only from outside temperature but also a room full of computers and monitors, the guy perhaps not drinking enough during that time (I've sometimes gotten so engrossed in gaming that I forget to drink for 8-10 hours)... And perhaps if he was so manicly depressed about something that he just didn't care (IE - ignores that his body is craving water)...

Yeah I can see an 86 hour marathon in a situation like that leading up to a heatstroke that kills him if noone around him notices the signs. And even if they did notice, once the signs kick in, it's somewhat difficult to reverse it and prevent the body from going into full shock and then death ensuing.

And there's all kinds of other situations. Weak heart situation. Anuerism, last year had a friend die during a PnP RPG gaming session. She was fine just chatting away, eating and drinking. Mid sentence she just fell forward dead. :( Stroke from an internal blood clot. Etc, etc...

Regards,
SB
 
NVidia moves into direct retail sales of video cards. Wonder how NVidia's partners feel about this.
There are ATI "own brand" video cards around as well. Except they're not. They were more like no-brand cards which just made the ATI branding stick all the more out. The ones I've seen seemed to be manufactured by PC Partner.

In the same vein, "Nvidia branded" cards at Best-Buy wouldn't necessarily imply that they're sold directly by Nvidia. Nor would it necessarily imply AIB partners getting cut out of the food chain.
 
Could you please provide a link to one, I have searched, and can not find one.
I know they did in the past, but I don't think they do now.
 
Some of you can laugh off the Bumpgate garbage in the name of "no one died" but as someone who doesn't get free crap from NV, AMD, Intel, etc and actually pay for my gear from my own pocket having my only computer die just out of warranty due to a company sell BAD PARTS, bad parts the companies knew were bad at the time of sale, and then as a consumer having to try to figure out how to replace said product while companies pass blame, deny responsibility, knowledge, etc is just ridiculous. Maybe $900 isn't much to most of you, which is fine.

But as a consumer actually affected that was a lot of money for us and feel no regret for NV (or Dell) in this issue. Their reputation should be sullied.

And I don't care if, "Well, this is how every business does this."

First, BS. Not every company is like that.

And the ones who are deserve to be pointed out as crap companies unworthy of consumer dollars.

It always says more to me about those people who defend such unethical companies than it does the faceless corporations they "defend."

NV screwed their partners and customers.

NV's partners pretty much cleared inventory with big IOU promises from NV to cover the issues until products passed out of warranty (and said partners took efforts to push as many products out of warranty by fan changes, etc as possible).

The bottom line is NV could have went out of their way to recall defective product, reimbursed consumers, and promoted their brand as being reliable and consumer friendly.

Instead it was business as usual: they knew going this route it would avoid as much major attention as possible, would be the least expensive route, and they would have a hugely active community of 'identities' across the internet (forums, blogs, news sites, Facebook, etc) doing active damage control and spinning. All to get away from the simple point:

NV and their partners screwed up and decided the best move was to let ignorant consumers take it on the chin.

Way to go green team! Way to treat a consumer who has bought a couple thousands dollars of your product dating back to the Riva128 as disposable (which I am sure I am). Having owned that, a TNT2, Ti4200, 6800GT, and a 8600GTS and recommend quite a few NV products your lack of corporate integrity weighs significantly into my feedback of your company.

Consumer goodwill doesn't come cheaply. I have no clue how NV stock is doing right now and as a market I think it needs NV to be healthy and competitive, but I think I express the feeling of a lot of consumers who feel NV really lost a lot of luster through this. I can live with a 10% performance deficit or a game without a feature the competition has. But outright dumping on consumers isn't cool.

I guess they have to win 10 more nvidiots over to balance out effect of one disgruntled consumer. While I wasn't happy about a dead product my feelings as a consumer would be 180 today if NV had taken responsibility for their decisions. Like much of life it isn't so much what you did but your intent. NV's intent in this situation was completely CYA with utter disregard for consumers. In return I think consumers should do the same to them.
 
Some of you can laugh off the Bumpgate garbage in the name of "no one died"...

Well I'm admittedly one of those who is amused when people rage at trivial injustices like broken video cards. They have a right to do so of course but it's hard to understand how people get worked up over something so relatively unimportant. What do you do when something happens that actually matters? Yes, $900 isn't a lot of money for some people but most importantly - $900 is easily replaceable!! Unlike the Saylor family. It's not about defending mean or shady companies, it's about having perspective when you deal with the problems you face in life. File your claim and get over it. I have a busted 7900 in an old XPS that's probably a victim of bumpgate but it's not even worth my time.

In terms of blowback I don't know anyone who knows anything about this problem - it didn't make the 6:00 news. Anecdotal yes but any damage to Nvidia's reputation, if any, will come from their OEM relationships, not from customers in the street. People buy Dell, Acer and Asus and as long as Dell, Acer and Asus keep buying Nvidia there won't be any permanent damage. You would need a Tea Party level revolution before you see Nvidia feel the pain you wish on them.
 
In the same vein, "Nvidia branded" cards at Best-Buy wouldn't necessarily imply that they're sold directly by Nvidia. Nor would it necessarily imply AIB partners getting cut out of the food chain.

NVIDIA and Best Buy are working together to offer PC customers the opportunity to experience firsthand the latest in PC technologies right inside Best Buy stores. As part of this broad initiative, NVIDIA is supplying to Best Buy specific GeForce models built and supported by NVIDIA. These products will only be available at Best Buy and will complement GeForce products from our partners. We will provide more details on this next week.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2327824&postcount=2

Could be a way to get excess inventory to market that their OEM partners don't want. Though I have no idea how much graphics card volume moves through Best Buy.
 
Ah. That more or less settles that then. Color me surprised. I would have expected these to be the result of more lax partner rules (like allowing board makers the sale off-brand cards to the Dixon Group and Best-Buys of the world), not for Nvidia to be explicitly involved themselves.
 
NVidia moves into direct retail sales of video cards

http://www.hardocp.com/news/2010/10/04/nvidia_moves_into_direct_retail_sales_video_cards

Wonder how NVidia's partners feel about this.
Its more likely no-name made, not Nvidia's. That said, NV has very strict partners policy (AMD not so strict about it) and cut down that list even more last year, how come these "no-names" even appeared? Someone is dealing under the table, either partners or NV itself. Of course, its possible NV started selling directly too, but it wouldnt make sense - they dont have retail channel, piss-off already very short partners list who might pick up Radeons too. This only would hurt NV.

Edit: after reading posts above with quote from NV:
NVIDIA and Best Buy are working together to offer PC customers the opportunity to experience firsthand the latest in PC technologies right inside Best Buy stores. As part of this broad initiative, NVIDIA is supplying to Best Buy specific GeForce models built and supported by NVIDIA. These products will only be available at Best Buy and will complement GeForce products from our partners. We will provide more details on this next week.

I think Dear Leader is going desperate. This move might help them very short term, but long term it just means they just shot in their foot, again, and this wound wont heal well. Partners like EVGA might decide its a last straw (being exclusive for 2nd rate cards for couple of generations is a hard place to be already) and begin negotiations with AMD.
 
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Didn't one of Nividia's partners just go under who was an exclusive supplier to Best Buy? It sounds like instead of getting another partner to take over, Nividia took it over themselves.
So remaining partners not only have to compete with other NV partners, superior Radeons, but also Nvidia itself, while getting less profits than NV? I dont see how its possible to spin it in a positive light, as rpg.314 mentioned, 3DFX tried that just before they died :cry:

Of course NV wont die that easy, but as I made long post few pages ago, hard times are coming for NV, and these direct sales are just one of the signs.
 
The problem with direct sales is that if it doesn't put your partners out of business, it drives them towards your competitors. Ironically, this is one of the things that killed 3DFX and made Nvidia.

Also interesting to note that an inability to exectute or supply the OEMs with products they want is another unhappy correlation with the major factors that killed 3DFX.

Just the other day, I read an article that pointed out that the same people who failed to turn SGI from a workstation company to a HPC company were working at Nvidia and.. failing to turn it from a workstation company into a HPC company.
 
Its more likely no-name made, not Nvidia's. That said, NV has very strict partners policy (AMD not so strict about it) and cut down that list even more last year, how come these "no-names" even appeared? Someone is dealing under the table, either partners or NV itself. Of course, its possible NV started selling directly too, but it wouldnt make sense - they dont have retail channel, piss-off already very short partners list who might pick up Radeons too. This only would hurt NV.

Edit: after reading posts above with quote from NV:


I think Dear Leader is going desperate. This move might help them very short term, but long term it just means they just shot in their foot, again, and this wound wont heal well. Partners like EVGA might decide its a last straw (being exclusive for 2nd rate cards for couple of generations is a hard place to be already) and begin negotiations with AMD.

The thing is, AMD said a while ago that they have enough partners and don't want any more. Seems to me that yes, NVIDIA's partners are getting screwed here, but what can they do about it?
 
The thing is, AMD said a while ago that they have enough partners and don't want any more. Seems to me that yes, NVIDIA's partners are getting screwed here, but what can they do about it?
They said indeed, but with fast increasing market share and probably the most reputable brand like EVGA knocking on the door, AMD would be foolish to deny them (plus it would automatically increase their share and decrease Nvidias even further).
 
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