could also be connected to the debut of 660s...or not 
http://www.techpowerup.com/169094/AMD-Cuts-Global-Prices-of-Radeon-HD-7000-Series.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/169094/AMD-Cuts-Global-Prices-of-Radeon-HD-7000-Series.html
You or anybody else for the opposite neither; so its firing blanks vs. firing blanks. If you want evidence for such matters find somebody foolish enough to try to prove it.
Er, no. Did you not read anything that was said by either me or S_B?
iMacmatician
Regular
From Sweclockers.com: "Geforce GTX 660 Ti released the third week in August" (translated).
GTX 660 Ti: 1344 CCs, 1.5 GB GDDR5 [presumably 192-bit bus?], ~$299, and planned for introduction August 13-19.
Also GPU-Z 0.6.3 features support for GTX 660.
GTX 660 Ti: 1344 CCs, 1.5 GB GDDR5 [presumably 192-bit bus?], ~$299, and planned for introduction August 13-19.
Also GPU-Z 0.6.3 features support for GTX 660.
Let's re-cap:
Theory 1: all high end chip codenames are x00, hence GK110 is a followup to a supposed GK100.
Theory 2: Kepler starts a new strategy where performance and low end parts GK10x (stripped as much as possible for HPC capabilities) take the lead with the high end HPC also part coming along later, where the "1" in the middle is the differentiator for the added capabilities GK10x cores lack. Dynamic parallelism, Hyper-Q, Grid Management unit and GPU direct are exclusive capabilities for GK110.
Now anyone is entitled to believe what he wants to, but in order of tape outs afaik:
GK107
GK104
GK110 (early March 12')
GK106
Additionally GK110 HPC is most likely not going to appear with all SMXs enabled for its start, if and when is an unknown as much as when and if and under which conditions the part is going to make it to the desktop. 7.1b/550m2, 15 SMXs, 5 GPCs, 384bit.
GK107 - Apple-Deal and Notebooks in general
GK104 - Corona effect
GK110 (early March 12') - HPC time to market before KNF
GK106 - regular business?
Blazkowicz
Legend
there's nvidia VGX, which is about allowing 100 users on a card with four GK107 GPUs : I had the impression GK107 had something not necessarily available in GK104, such as HyperQ.
I can be entirely wrong but that 32-way queue thing, even if only used internally by nvidia driver seems to be what you want to use when you have up to two dozens user on one GPU.
I can be entirely wrong but that 32-way queue thing, even if only used internally by nvidia driver seems to be what you want to use when you have up to two dozens user on one GPU.
A simple question: I currently have a Dell U2711 (2560 x 1440) display, and was heading towards the purchase of a GTX 670 aiming to play most games at 45-60 fps, but I think that it could fall a 20%-25% short running very demanding ones (The Witcher 2, Battlefield 2, Shogun 2...) maxed.
There's a chance of Nvidia releasing a "GTX 685" about a 20% faster than the current 680 this year? Will be a high-end single GPU above the 680 in the next 4-5 months or the next flagship would be in a second branch of the Kepler architecture? Thanx in advance.
There's a chance of Nvidia releasing a "GTX 685" about a 20% faster than the current 680 this year? Will be a high-end single GPU above the 680 in the next 4-5 months or the next flagship would be in a second branch of the Kepler architecture? Thanx in advance.
nVidias next faster-than-GK104 (670/680) chip is GK110, and it's coming sometime in the Q4 of this year - however, it's still uncertain wether there even will be a gaming-GK110, or just HPC/distributed-gaming (GeForce Grid) cards
So I'd say changes are pretty much zero for faster card than GTX680 from nVidia this year
GK104 seems to be backwardly mobile and I wouldn't be surprised to see two 660-based cards on it now. Compare that to Tahiti which looks like it's going full "GHz" edition soon and it gives a good indication of where each company is.
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet so apologies in advance if so - http://vga.it168.com/a2012/0713/1372/000001372093.shtml
I'm not quite certain what exactly we're looking at here but if this is GK106 then it's pretty awful, and surely means that Nvidia will be forced into creating both 660 SKU's from GK104 in order to remain competitive on performance. The chances of seeing a faster GK104 than the 680 would be somewhere between zero and nil.
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet so apologies in advance if so - http://vga.it168.com/a2012/0713/1372/000001372093.shtml
I'm not quite certain what exactly we're looking at here but if this is GK106 then it's pretty awful, and surely means that Nvidia will be forced into creating both 660 SKU's from GK104 in order to remain competitive on performance. The chances of seeing a faster GK104 than the 680 would be somewhere between zero and nil.
the GTS650 should be made of GK107 ( 384cores = same of GT640) , the difference is in the clock speed and memory used. I believe this was the rumored GT640 D5 or a faster clocked version.
The 650 TI is rumored to be part of GK106 instead. I dont think Nvidia want release a GK106 just for the 650TI version... We will know soon.
The 650 TI is rumored to be part of GK106 instead. I dont think Nvidia want release a GK106 just for the 650TI version... We will know soon.
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Most likely, the GK 110 will surface in the gamer market as the GTX 780.
I'd be more willing to bet it will be the GTX 790 or GTX 795, with the GTX 780 being taken by the successor to the current GTX 680.
UniversalTruth
Veteran
GK110 is an entirely different class of chip. I expect GK114 to surface as some type of GK104 successor, while GK110 will appear for gaming platforms in 2013 (as already reported) only.
If GK110 shouldn't be able to make it to desktop until say early 2013, I'm personally not so sure it'll make all that much sense. The only other problem for NVIDIA would be that if GK110 should stay HPC only I doubt they'll be able to cover the R&D expenses despite very high margins.
Ok got it. So I suppose this is my take on it -
The GTS650 is just the 640 with DDR5 and higher clocks, but it's still losing to the 7770 with what is the closest match of each companies cards (128-bit, very similar die size etc).
So the 650 Ti will be the lowest GK106, and will probably fit in the rather large gap between the 7770 and 7850.
The 660 will be the the highest GK106, and has a chance of beating the 7850 on performance if the 192-bit bus isn't too much of a hindrance. But is that really likely?
That leaves the 660 Ti, which is a further cut down 680/670 and should be able to just about beat the 7870 on performance, with a probable loss on power draw.
AMD's price drops seems strange however - if the 7870 is losing to the 660 Ti then it'll need another drop soon. I guess they feel that Nvidia will price the 660 at $249 and might even go to $349 on the Ti.
Well rumors give the 660TI at 320$ .. you find allready 7870 between 279$ to 320$ .. ( now does the rumors have just take the 7870 price and make a direct transposition for his opponent, the 660TI )
Nvidia dont want loose on the midrange parts, it is where they sold the most cards (for retail anyway ), and ofc they know where is the 7870 in term of performance, with the latitude given to them with Turboclock for set performance based on clock speed, they will not have so much problem to choose a turbo clockspeed higher. ( and we have seen with the 670, they fix a "base turbo" low ( 980mhz ) on paper, but samples goes a lot higher ( review samples was as fast of the 680 in term of turbo, some models tested even faster of it ) ..
They need a strong 660TI; for sell the lower model who is the 660 ..
Then they can count on AIB for release overclocked cards....
On a certain base, the reference models will not be really important, as for the 460-560TI, the first day will be flooded with 10 non reference models send to reviewers with different clock and cooling solution. the reference models will look insignificant in the middle of this army.
The only thing: AMD can if they feel the need to release a 7870 GHZ with turbo enabled. ( If hardware wise they are similar of the 7970 in this aspect ).. There's allready some models who run at 1150mhz ..
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Yep I had that in mind also (7870 turbo). I just wonder if they are ready for it now that the 660 and 660 Ti have been delayed a month. Nvidia would be ready to throw in another card if it was the other way around, and it would be a very big win for AMD if they were unable to beat the 7870 turbo with the 660 Ti.
There's many thing in question: hardware capability, Does it worth the effort and cost when maybe just down a bit the price will be enough. the 7870 is allready high clocked and as i was said some models goes at 1150mhz. Most models in retail shop run at 1100mhz ..
We could have said the same thing about the 7970Ghz edition anyway, but the point is the 1050-1070mhz 7970 had no visibility in Nvidia cards review, and now we see appears 1200mhz 7970's ( Sapphire Toxic ).
( Note i have even see a review yesterdy where the guy have test the card with the Cat 12.4 ( so no Turbo ), and only the "standard bios, so the card was certainly run only at 1000-1050mhz. and with performance on some games with 12.4 who was really not good ( Dirt3, BF3 )
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