Nvidia GT300 core: Speculation

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dkanter said:
And people who discount what Charlie says are doing so because of a bias that I (and most others) perceive to be irrational.
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Ok I'm sure there are some useful bits of information that can be gleaned from his rants. But its statements like this that really irk me:

"The fanbois are sure to say something stupid about Nvidia having better performance"

I simply don't see the point in playing down superior performance and I see even less in branding anyone that appreciates it a "fanboi". I go were the cost/performance is but since NV can literally never have this advantage in Charlies eyes, even when they blatantly do, I guess I must be a "fanbois" for owning an 8800GTS according to him?

Frankly he could have the best sources and information in the world but if he wants to personally insult half of his potential readership then I have no problem with throwing a few insults back in his direction. Lets face it, if your going to alienate such a large portion of your readership for no actual gain, then you've got to be at least a bit of a fool.
 
Gubbi said:
Then let's all kiss and make up, since Charlie has an actual Williams Defender arcade box.
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Lies and slander! I think it is time to call my lawyer, I do not have a Defender arcade box, I never liked the controls on that game, or Stargate for that matter. I think it was one of Eugene's biggest screwups, but it sold well.

I do however have a Tempest, Robotron 2084, Ms. Pacman, Gauntlett II, Smash TV, and Xevious. You can see 4 of them here:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1007205/im-going-to-case-mod-the-inq-segway
For the record, they are all original cabinets and such, so cheaping out with MAME cabinets. The only one that is not original is the SmashTV, that is the one in the Boot Camp cabinet on the left.

And for the record, I have 2 Segways, both of which I won in contests.

-Charlie
 
pjbliverpool said:
Ok I'm sure there are some useful bits of information that can be gleaned from his rants. But its statements like this that really irk me:

"The fanbois are sure to say something stupid about Nvidia having better performance"

I simply don't see the point in playing down superior performance and I see even less in branding anyone that appreciates it a "fanboi". I go were the cost/performance is but since NV can literally never have this advantage in Charlies eyes, even when they blatantly do, I guess I must be a "fanbois" for owning an 8800GTS according to him?

Frankly he could have the best sources and information in the world but if he wants to personally insult half of his potential readership then I have no problem with throwing a few insults back in his direction. Lets face it, if your going to alienate such a large portion of your readership for no actual gain, then you've got to be at least a bit of a fool.
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Let me just say that I personally have no problem with people who say abrasive things. There's a lot of really, really stupid shit out there, and I have no problem with those who call people out on it. Even if it does reduce the readership (though controversy often increases readership).

What I do have a problem with is people saying really stupid things, though, and it seems like that quote from Charlie that you presented there is quite stupid.
 
Regarding Charlie's article: I'm not convinced $10 is a fair figure for NVIO given that it probably reduces the cost of the main chip by several dollars (slightly lower die size and slightly lower wafer costs). But it probably does increase overall costs by several dollars, which is the price to slightly reduce risk/time-to-market, although if it only taped-out when Charlie said that's obviously not going to save them.

Regarding NV DX11 performance - well, if it isn't very significantly faster than Cypress, that's not going to hurt that first chip (assuming it at least has the performance flagship) as much as its derivatives. And that would indeed be a big problem. We'll see what happens; while I do believe Charlie has good sources when it comes to Cypress, I also believe that he still doesn't really have any true insider knowledge of NV's DX11 architecture. I'll grant him that if Cypress is a big performance boost though, then NV's performance boost would have to be downright terrifying for it to be significantly faster! It does seem unlikely, but both companies have surprised us with architectural jumps in the past.
 
If you continue judging characters and not concentrate on....errr what was the topic again? *cough* I swear I'll call digitalwanderer into this thread too with his pink confetti and yes that's a very serious threat :devilish:
 
dkanter said:
He does have an axe to grind against both of them (from your perspective, although I'd also agree to some extent). All that means is that as an educated reader you should take what he says about those two companies with a grain of salt. I don't believe everything Charlie says, but I definitely listen/read carefully.

Maybe it's just obvious that someone who runs a website like AMDzone or nvnews has a bias...but frankly, everyone has a bias, even myself.

And people who discount what Charlie says are doing so because of a bias that I (and most others) perceive to be irrational.

David
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Don't worry it is fairly obvious when people have a bias, and you needn't worry that others don't notice yours. It was said before he isn't a journalist he is an IT shock jock. From that perspective his antics are normal. When people try to suggest he is a journalist that is when others have a rational reason to complain.
 
pjbliverpool said:
What bias? The only bias I have is against a fool who drags the entire tone of internet journalism down. Sure he gets the odd thing right. I could do the same with a couple of dodgy sources and enough random predictions. But most of the rubbish his spews is plain hate filled drivel. Be it for NV or Microsoft.
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And considering this sidetrack was originally in reply to DegustatoR. I'd say so far Charlie's track record has been significantly better with regards to Nvidia.

It'll be interest to see whether Charlie is even remotely right on G(t)300 or if he's been massively mislead by his sources.

Or if DegustatoR has been massively mislead by his sources.

I'm pretty sure both of them are accurately relaying information from whomever their source is. But obviously one of them has a source that is just plain wrong.

Regards,
SB
 
None of them can have a reliable estimate on the architecture's efficiency or even performance. Random numbers are meaningless as well as funky estimates based on those without knowing if there have been any architectural changes and into which direction exactly.

If their X11 high end GPU should end up roughly at the same performance level as AMD's performance GPU they'll have of course a huge disadvantage.
 
Silent_Buddha said:
It'll be interest to see whether Charlie is even remotely right on G(t)300 or if he's been massively mislead by his sources.

Or if DegustatoR has been massively mislead by his sources.
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Why the dichotomy? Both truly want to believe (cue in X-Files music), they just have different beliefs. Both can be wrong, you know, emotional overdosing can lead to that.
 
Silent_Buddha said:
And considering this sidetrack was originally in reply to DegustatoR. I'd say so far Charlie's track record has been significantly better with regards to Nvidia.

It'll be interest to see whether Charlie is even remotely right on G(t)300 or if he's been massively mislead by his sources.

Or if DegustatoR has been massively mislead by his sources.

I'm pretty sure both of them are accurately relaying information from whomever their source is. But obviously one of them has a source that is just plain wrong.

Regards,
SB
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I'm sorry but where can i see my track record?
Plus i'm not really saying much in the lines of "NV's already doomed because G300 is 100 mm^2 bigger than RV870" do i?
Charlie don't know anything about G300. That much is pretty clear to me right now.
 
I won't say Charlie doesn't know anything at all. I would say that he doesn't have any more information on anything "bad" about GT300, cause if he did we'd have all heard about it before in mocking glory :LOL: If he knows anything that sheds a positive light he'll probably keep it to himself.
 
AFAIK, the best generational changes are 2x faster. 4x would be an indication of a misstep with the previous gen (5900 with DX9, 2900/3870 with AA), which isn't the case with either IHV right now. I guess sticking with a 512bit bus but moving to GDDR5 could push them closer to 3x in some cases.

So I'm thinking calling 4x is not so much ballsy as it is silly. ;P
 
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