NVIDIA GF100 & Friends speculation

Might throw in a ~200 EUR card, just for keeping ratios (L'Inq).
What are the corresponding numbers on, say HD 6870 and GTX 460 - just to put 6970 and 580 into perspective?

IOW: what's the point?
 
The demand for GTX580 remains strong

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* Had to use that for people proving/disproving 580 demand from one retailer.
 
IOW: what's the point?
Regarding that question as posed: depends on whether HD6970 is competing with GTX580 or not, doesn't it?

Anyway that wasn't the point of my posting.

It was merely "some sales data". And "Oh and by the way, here are the launch quantities for HD6970 at the same retailer, since that data is also available, in the same thread."
 
Probably as it makes up for a good excuse quite often. (btw, I meant the coherency between the individual groups of lines, not the words or letters themselves. ;))
 
Your english is fine to perfect. His post was just full of non sequiturs. It is often easier to link in one post even that which isn't relevant in case someone later asks.
 
So I called the guy and he said 200W was for Furmark, 150W was for gaming performance. I misunderstood what he said.

He gave me the specs again to make sure I had it right:

384SP
775-820MHz
150W TDP, 200W Furmark
350-370mm^2 die
256bit, 1GB.
I'd like to think there will be two "full" GF114's, one at 875 MHz / 185 W and the other at ≈775 MHz / 150 W, but something tells me that's way too optimistic.

Just got an email from the guy, he says since Nvidia are stuck on 40nm for the next year or so, they are planning a 640SP card as well. Apparently it will use 40SP SMs, with 4 SMs per GPC and a 4 GPC cluster, they are working to pack the chip more densely so they can add the SPs without making it any bigger.
Out of curiosity… do you or the guy know the codename for this GPU?

I call BS on that. Now, GF100/GF110 and the rest of GF1xx are already quite dissimilar due to the different dispatch (needed by the 32SP vs. 48SP thing), but both feature 16-wide alus. Changing that to 8-wide so 40SP are possible would be a step back towards earlier designs, which imho makes no sense.
80 SP SM would be 5 x 16 and also fit with 640 total SPs, but the source says 40 SP/SM so…
 
Might throw in a ~200 EUR card, just for keeping ratios (L'Inq).
What are the corresponding numbers on, say HD 6870 and GTX 460 - just to put 6970 and 580 into perspective?

IOW: what's the point?

Seems the point is that Demand for GTX 580 may or may not be huge, but supply does appear constrained.

While the absolutely value of products received by any given e-tailer will vary, the ratio of product received should be somewhat similar, unless that e-tailer has a perference for one IHV or another, or is being blacklisted by one AIB or another.

The contrast is even more stark when you consider the 300 GTX 580 number is all stock received and sold including launch + ~1 month additional shipments. Whereas 500 6970 represents launch numbers only.

It would have been more interesting if we also knew the numbers they have sold for GTX 570.

And goes back to ongoing discussion about whether smaller Cayman die will generate as much profit or be easier to manufacture than the larger GF110 die.

Then again perhaps AIBs with Nvidia products don't like OCUK while AIBs with ATI products like OCUK more than other e-tailers on the net.

It's one data point which indicates that demand for GTX 580 is higher than supply. But we already knew that. And implies that supplies for Cayman might be greater than double (if in 1 month OCUK only receives another 100 6970's) to triple or more (if in 1 month OCUK receives say another 500 6970's) that of GF110. Although without numbers for GTX 570 (IE - are there more defective GF110 dies going into GTX 570 than the ratio of 6970/6950?), there's no way to even guess at that.

I not aware of OCUK being partial to one vendor or another so, I'm making an assumption that the ratio of product they buy and sell is roughly similar to the ratio of product other e-tailers buy and sell.

Regards,
SB
 
SB,

that's excatly what I meant (NOT to be read into those numbers). Or do you really think, shops will stock fixed numbers of products regardless of their pricing?

While 10 units could be a large enought supply for a 1000 dollar product, the same is not necessarily true for a 100 dollar product.

But that's just my opinion, yours may of course differ.
 
Aye, I don't disagree. :) As stated it's just one data point. And far less interesting and informative without the GTX 570 numbers. If we had those numbers also we could better compare similar price points as well as number of GF110 chips versus Cayman chips. Of course, even then 1 month of additional stock for one versus the other also muddles the picture.

Regards,
SB
 
I'd like to think there will be two "full" GF114's, one at 875 MHz / 185 W and the other at ≈775 MHz / 150 W, but something tells me that's way too optimistic.

Well if the GTX560 comes clocked at X frequency I'm sure there will be more than one vendors that will guarantee for X+y% frequencies.
 

$20-30 max.

1.3x the 460 1GB stock won't really get the 6950 beat (yes what a shocker), you need about 1.4-1.45x to do that...
And the MSRP on the 1GB 6950's 275USD. I suspect they want higher ASPs now and will only let the 1GBs out later on when the 560 comes.
560 probably launches at $250, at the same price the 6950's faster and probably less heaty (it's basically 6870 +15W)


The 6870 however... will probably need a drop to $200 to make a case for it, or otherwise people will just willingly sidegrade anyway.
 
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$20-30 max.

1.3x the 460 1GB stock won't really get the 6950 beat (yes what a shocker), you need about 1.4-1.45x to do that...
And the MSRP on the 1GB 6950's 275USD. I suspect they want higher ASPs now and will only let the 1GBs out later on when the 560 comes.
560 probably launches at $250, at the same price the 6950's faster and probably less heaty (it's basically 6870 +15W)

The 6870 however... will probably need a drop to $200 to make a case for it, or otherwise people will just willingly sidegrade anyway.

I think GTX 560 will probably match or be slightly faster than a HD 6870(full 384 SP's, clocks of around 800 mhz). I dont think it can reach HD 6950 unless they really up the clocks. And we'll probably get a cutdown variant with 334 SP's. GTX 555 anyone? :devilish:

I agree 6870 will need a price drop to $200, and then 6850 can then drop to $160 or so
 
$20-30 max.

1.3x the 460 1GB stock won't really get the 6950 beat (yes what a shocker), you need about 1.4-1.45x to do that...
And the MSRP on the 1GB 6950's 275USD. I suspect they want higher ASPs now and will only let the 1GBs out later on when the 560 comes.
560 probably launches at $250, at the same price the 6950's faster and probably less heaty (it's basically 6870 +15W)


The 6870 however... will probably need a drop to $200 to make a case for it, or otherwise people will just willingly sidegrade anyway.
I said that it'd be "close" to the 6950, never did I mention beating it. :p
 
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