NVIDIA GF100 & Friends speculation

Sontin said:
The difference between a default GTX460 card (and the versions with 700-730Mhz) and a reference GTX470 is 70 watt in games...
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The difference between default 460-1GB and some 460-OC boards is ~70W also:

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GTX 460 850/1700/4600 @ 0,987v 279 watt
GTX 460 850/1700/4600 @ 1,000v 282 watt
GTX 460 850/1700/4600 @ 1,012v 285 watt
GTX 460 850/1700/4600 @ 1,025v 288 watt
GTX 460 850/1700/4600 @ 1,037v 291 watt
GTX 460 850/1700/4600 @ 1,050v 293 watt
GTX 460 850/1700/4600 @ 1,062v 296 watt
GTX 460 850/1700/4600 @ 1,075v 298 watt
GTX 460 850/1700/4600 @ 1,087v 303 watt
GTX 460 890/1780/4600 @ 1,087v 311 watt

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=257223
 
Tweaktown's Galaxy GTS 450 Review..

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Wow. Power consumption is rather disappointing- especially when you compare it to the 260-216 that probably uses just a smidge more, and is still slightly faster- and that was end of 08/09 start.

Leaky leaky leaky.
 
Strange things seem to happen when you record total system power values. 450 consuming as much as 460 seems highly unlikely.
 
default GTX460 = 675MHz
default GTS450 = 783MHz... that means OC edition must be clocked at least at 800MHz, so its clocks are at least 20% higher compared to GTX460...

similar to HD5830 / 5850 power consumption...
 
So it's overclocked up to the point of consumping as much as a 460, yet it does only convincingly beat a fanless 5770 in FarCry2, Lost Planet and Heaven? :|
 
no-X said:
default GTX460 = 675MHz
default GTS450 = 783MHz... that means OC edition must be clocked at least at 800MHz, so its clocks are at least 20% higher compared to GTX460...

similar to HD5830 / 5850 power consumption...
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Except that HD 5830 and 5850 are using the same ASIC. No, just with clocks you won't get a GTS450 in the vincinity of a GTX460 - you'd need to toy around with voltages too.
 
Looks ok to me - from these numbers it would appear a non-OC version could easily keep up with HD5750, likely beating it on average.
Though overclocking it so it reaches HD5770 performance levels doesn't seem like a very good idea, I'd bet voltages had to be pushed quite a bit on this card and that's the reason for the high power consumption. Normal version probably still will require more power than HD5750 (though really I want to see direct measurement) but it shouldn't be anywhere that bad.
Some of these scores look a bit suspicious, the difference in far cry 2 and hawx between HD5750 and HD5770 is much larger than the theoretical difference between these cards suggest (factor 2(!) in far cry 2 whereas theoretical max difference is only 35% when shader/texture bound).
 
The Bottom Line


The MSI N450GTS Cyclone is a solid product, but is ultimately let down by the lackluster performance of the GPU that NVIDIA gave MSI to work with. Ultimately, GeForce GTS 450 is disappointing because it offers nothing new at this price point. Gamers have had the capability of multi-display gaming on a single graphics card in this price range for eleven months now. Gamers have had DX11 gaming capability at this price range for eleven months now. Gamers have experienced this same level of performance in this price range for eleven months now. It takes the GeForce GTS 450 more power to produce less performance when compared to the Radeon HD 5770.


The GeForce GTS 450 should have been in our hands eleven months ago. To come to the game this late for $130+, the GTS 450 is simply not good enough compared to the video cards already available. You will find better performance in similarly priced video cards as it stands today. MSI took what they had and provided their best hardware manufacturing giving us rock stable operation, a custom heatsink and fan that is brilliant, and a video card that has great overclocking ability and tweakability with Voltage control. The fact that MSI is not charging an arm and a leg for these features is very welcomed, and if a GTS 450 is in your future, the MSI N450GTS Cyclone is an option to consider. That’s the rub though, is a GTS 450 in your future, and we can’t think of solid reasons why it should be.
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Charlie is this you..??? :D. NO, it's Brent Justice from HardOCP
 
What I don't get is this late to market proposition. When I as a consumer am deciding to buy now, it is as viable an option as a card already long in the market. If i am more inclined to Eyefinity or Physx just to name two marketed buzzwords is another thing. If I care about a 20 watt difference under load is another. But from a consumer standpoint, I could not care less, when a product was introduced. Chances are, quite a few people interested in this card of this price point did already make their decision in the past months and are satisfied with their 5700 radeons and won't be buying a new card now.

I don't think it's a bad card and it certainly is an alternative for people to cionsider if they're upgrading now. Of course, if you've already made your DX11 move, Nvidias lateness to the game won't win them any more sales...
 
mczak said:
Looks ok to me - from these numbers it would appear a non-OC version could easily keep up with HD5750, likely beating it on average.
Though overclocking it so it reaches HD5770 performance levels doesn't seem like a very good idea, I'd bet voltages had to be pushed quite a bit on this card and that's the reason for the high power consumption. Normal version probably still will require more power than HD5750 (though really I want to see direct measurement) but it shouldn't be anywhere that bad.
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WRT to stock 450, you're right on the money:
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/aid,7...-130-Euro/Grafikkarte/Test/&cacheclear?page=2

Perf a little above 5750 in our whole parcours (more than printed online), power consumption of reference card a bit above the level of 5770. Price and marketing will decied on the fate of GTS 450.
 
CarstenS said:
Price and marketing will decied on the fate of GTS 450.
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Nope, AMD has already decided its fate. They are going to kill it by lowering the price of the 5770 to match the 450. Amazing that the 11+ month old Juniper has held up so well.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gts-450-review-roundup/27
But make no mistake, the Radeon HD 5770 overall is the better performing product and AMD already informed us that they will be lowering prices, equal to the GTS 450.
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And in crossfire a 5770 at stock clocks and in some cases even the 5750 beat SLI 450s
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...geforce-gts-450-1gb-single-sli-review-17.html
 
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