Of course not, but they should have waited 'till there's at least some launch stock to sell (and who knows, maybe avoid bricked cards on driver update in the process)
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50-series Blackwell Availability
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arandomguy
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Q1 is typically the slowest quarter in terms of retail sales and shipments. I'm not sure if we really should be reading too much into what's going on.
I'm also wondering if the potential problem is being overstated at this point having been only 1 week. Also I'm wondering how much this is narrative/impression driven.
For instance the Intel B580 has been out longer and was "sold out" for quite some time with the only availability I believe currently in the US being a $300 AiB variant (+$50 over MSRP). I don't think the 9800X3D is consistently in stock either still.
I'm also wondering if the potential problem is being overstated at this point having been only 1 week. Also I'm wondering how much this is narrative/impression driven.
For instance the Intel B580 has been out longer and was "sold out" for quite some time with the only availability I believe currently in the US being a $300 AiB variant (+$50 over MSRP). I don't think the 9800X3D is consistently in stock either still.
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There's a difference between shops getting hundreds or thousands of units and selling out and receiving tens of units and selling out.
So again, what's the conspiracy here really supposed to be? NVIDIA purposefully not selling cards? Purposefully promoting a thing that isn't available and they can't make? What exactly is it that makes this a conspiracy, someone needs to explain it better than what is currently being offered. Until NVIDIA releases their sales numbers in their next quarterly earnings report, literally nobody here has any details on what's going on with their shipments and numbers. This statement 100% includes all the other anecdotal pieces we've heard from various chain stores, too.
I'm kinda tired of hearing about how there are no cards and somehow it's a big NVIDIA ploy. Unless you've got something more sturdy than "someone posted this on the internet and it aligns with my confirmation bias!" just please stop already.
In case anyone in here is lost, this thread is about 5090 reviews. There are lots. There are more being created daily. This thread isn't about the general state of NVIDIA supply chain woes (or lack thereof) which would also include, but not be limited to, 5080's, 5070's, and a mega-shit-load of enterprise cards too.
I'm kinda tired of hearing about how there are no cards and somehow it's a big NVIDIA ploy. Unless you've got something more sturdy than "someone posted this on the internet and it aligns with my confirmation bias!" just please stop already.
In case anyone in here is lost, this thread is about 5090 reviews. There are lots. There are more being created daily. This thread isn't about the general state of NVIDIA supply chain woes (or lack thereof) which would also include, but not be limited to, 5080's, 5070's, and a mega-shit-load of enterprise cards too.
DegustatoR
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Also if we'd have ample supply and cards would be sitting everywhere on shelves at MSRPs the very same people would be running around screaming how 50 series is a flop because it's not selling.
It's an unwinnable discussion which doesn't even warrant any sort of actual attention IMO.
Most of people who are crying how unavailable 5080 and 5090 cards are now would've never bought them to begin with.
Wtf, seriously? No-one has claimed any conspiracies anywhere. Simply that there are abnormally small amount of cards available at launch, which makes it feel rushed. That's not a conspiracy.
Haha that's very true.
I do believe this launch may be particularly scarce. It's just not really possible to conclusively state that it is while we're still in the middle of crazy season.
And tubers have hurt their credibility by crying wolf too many times. The almighty algorithm rewards gutter press style sensational headlines.
DegustatoR
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For the 5090 in particular yes although warnings were given on that well in advance. 5080 seem to be about the same as always. And in any case it is way too early to say anything about availability or shipments as it's been only a week since start of sales. The last time cards weren't sold out at this point I even remember would be Turing launch probably. We'll see how big of an actual problem this is once Nvidia will report the figures on that quarter. Until then ithis whole discussion is little more than hearsay and anecdotal "evidence".
Bold is my emphasis: this claim is based on what, exactly? What actual, factual, statements from official sources have told us this on the record?
Unfounded statements made from hyperbole and internet posts are best considered conspiracies at best.
Since this is the products and architecture forum, I'm dropping a new thread out here for people to opine on availability, or lack thereof, for all NVIDIA products -- be it Blackwell, or Lovelace, or some new thing coming out in a year from now.
If it's about NVIDIA product availability, this is the thread it goes into. Don't dork up other threads with the noise please and thank you.
If it's about NVIDIA product availability, this is the thread it goes into. Don't dork up other threads with the noise please and thank you.
From several retailers which of at least some have been already linked to this thread, but let's go again
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...ng-to-buy-a-50-series.18998084/#post-37602115 - Under 10 week before sales, maybe double that for launch day. Compared to around 1000 at 4090 launch https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...be-reviews-no-competitor-discussion.18960249/
Japanese outlet went for lottery (which ended up in chaos) for right to buy https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...-a-chance-to-purchase-an-rtx-5090-or-rtx-5080
MSI confirms tight supply https://www.ithome.com/0/827/073.htm and eventually even ended up pushing their sales start a week https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-delays-geforce-rtx-5090-official-us-store-availability-to-february-6 (yes it's videocardz but it's with screengrabs from MSI's discord)
System integrator "The launch of the RTX 5090 will be the worst when it comes to availability. Already being told to expect it to be that way for the first 3 months."
https://tagtag.co.kr/article/notice/1/18681/ (Zotac Korea pushing 5090 availability to february due stock)
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/nvidia-rtx-50-debut-paper-171600943.html
There's some to go on by, do I need to post more?
Lunar new year is a thing in Asia:
en.wikipedia.org
Waiting for stock and already have a co-worker in line to buy my 4090, so the upgrade looks like this:
Cost of RTX 5090: $2642 (we have 25% VAT + Import tax in Denmark)
Sale of RTX 4090: $1390
Total cost: $2642-$1390=$1252
Lunar New Year - Wikipedia
Waiting for stock and already have a co-worker in line to buy my 4090, so the upgrade looks like this:
Cost of RTX 5090: $2642 (we have 25% VAT + Import tax in Denmark)
Sale of RTX 4090: $1390
Total cost: $2642-$1390=$1252
You think Nvidia's supply problem is due to them being unaware of Lunar New Year?
What GPU launch in the last many years have not been like this?
And launching right at Lunar new year is doomed to give supply chain issues
If factory output = 0...then nothing will creat new SKU's until they re-open.
(My wife is from Asia, the lunar new stops everything, it is the only time in Asia people have something resembling vacation)
90 mins complaining about basic economics. If an AIB only has 100 GPUs to sell they will sell it to the 100 people willing to pay the most. Did these guys go to school?
I agree with their observation that companies will do whatever makes them the most money so it must be true that Nvidia and AIBs are working in their best interests. If Nvidia is only making a token number of 5080s and 5090s it’s 100% intentional either because they need the wafer capacity elsewhere or they want to sell fewer cards at higher prices.
The bit about fooling the same number of people into paying $2500 instead of $2000 for a 5090 is just nonsense. No matter what marketing tricks you play fewer people will buy at the higher price. There are no Jedi mind tricks here that can manipulate a market of millions of people.
I agree with their observation that companies will do whatever makes them the most money so it must be true that Nvidia and AIBs are working in their best interests. If Nvidia is only making a token number of 5080s and 5090s it’s 100% intentional either because they need the wafer capacity elsewhere or they want to sell fewer cards at higher prices.
The bit about fooling the same number of people into paying $2500 instead of $2000 for a 5090 is just nonsense. No matter what marketing tricks you play fewer people will buy at the higher price. There are no Jedi mind tricks here that can manipulate a market of millions of people.
As of right now there is one 4060Ti available from Newegg and it is $450 (8GB model). The 4060 is still hanging in there.
I should think about selling my 4070. It seems to be worth about as much now as it was when I payed for it ($600). New ones are going for $700+.
I should think about selling my 4070. It seems to be worth about as much now as it was when I payed for it ($600). New ones are going for $700+.
arandomguy
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Need to extend this to the entire chain.
Take OCuk for example, OCuk is listing all RTX 5080s as OOS with no preorders. You can however order their prebuilts with a RTX 5080. I'm sure they will be in the same line as the existing DIY preorders for the parts. But of course they, like other retailers, have zero agenda to spin PR narrative in a certain way.
Also it seems like the focus is on the RTX 5090 but I'm not sure if we can look at it in isolation when comparing to the RTX 4090 launch. The reason being the RTX 4090 launched by itself (RTX 4080 was a month later) while the 5090/5080 launched together. What are combined 5080/5090 numbers vs 4090? Take that Gamer's Nexus video that mentioned the SI that received 30 4090s vs 20 5090s, I'm guessing their combined batch 1 shipment including 5080s is likely much higher. If we go with some other ratios if could be something like 200 5080/5090 combined vs. 30 4090s. For all we know combined 50 series shipments vs 40 series shipments is much higher through the first lets say 2 weeks.
