NV35 for a Q2 2003 release??

[Joe DeFuria]

I hope that performance wise, it beats the crap out of the 9800 Pro. Because that shold help drive the prices of the 9800 down for when I get one.

I will consider the NV35, but only if
1) It is actually out at the time I put my new system together, which is looking like May/June. (Waiting primarily on release of springdale chipset.)
2) It is faster than the 9800 Pro
3) It has better AA modes than the Current FX chips...at least comparable to the ATI implementation.
4) It drops the dustbuster

I'm mostly worried about number 3. If the NV35 has the same AA as the NV30, it won't be in the running.

 

[Luminescent]

Same here.

 

[binmaze]

And,

And if FP mode runs correct and fast.

 

[Luminescent]

At fp32 precision.

 

[Mulciber]

At fp32 precision.

if anything, they either need to support fullspeed 24bit or 32bit precision, otherwise, things will be kinda ugly

 

[Evildeus]

Well concerning the NV35, some information on HFR from the CEBIT ( http://www.hardware.fr/news/lire/13-03-2003/ ) and it seems a great chip.

First, the 4 dawns demo is named Harem, and the wings' details are simplified.

Then, the NV35 was running @ half the speed of a GFFX ultra (250 MHz?), it gives already more performance than a GFFX Ultra

If there's no mistake in the news, well, the NV35 will be da bomb 8)

Pour ce qui est de l’avenir, NVIDIA faisait la démonstration dans les coulisses de son NV35. Nous ne sommes pas encore en mesure de divulguer les spécifications de cette puce, mais il est clair qu’au vu de la démonstration son potentiel est impressionnant.

En effet, NVIDIA a fait tourner sur le NV35 une démo dénommée Harem et mettant en scène 4 fées Dawn identiques à celle qui était présente pour les démos du GeForce FX, en dehors des ailes dont la géométrie était simplifiée. De plus, nous avons pu voir quelques benchs "conventionnels", et malgré une fréquence bien inférieure à la finale (50% d´une 5800 Ultra) la puce était déjà nettement plus rapide qu’une GeForce FX 5800 Ultra. NVIDIA ne semble donc pas disposé à laisser ATI garder la 1ère place en terme de performance, reste à voir maintenant quelle sera le timing de sortie de cette nouvelle puce.

 

[THe_KELRaTH]

I would suspect that the reference to 250Mhz based on DDRII. What will be interesting is if the NV35 supports the x16 AA thats available for the FX Quadro.

 

[epicstruggle]

I hope that performance wise, it beats the crap out of the 9800 Pro. Because that shold help drive the prices of the 9800 down for when I get one.

I will consider the NV35, but only if
1) It is actually out at the time I put my new system together, which is looking like May/June. (Waiting primarily on release of springdale chipset.)
2) It is faster than the 9800 Pro
3) It has better AA modes than the Current FX chips...at least comparable to the ATI implementation.
4) It drops the dustbuster

I'm mostly worried about number 3. If the NV35 has the same AA as the NV30, it won't be in the running.

in regards to item 1, how many delays are you willing to put up with before you go with another card.
later,

 

[Dio]

OT: I like the bias meter. Can we make that a compulsory feature?

 

[darkblu]

OT: I like the bias meter. Can we make that a compulsory feature?

/ROTFL-ing real hard/

 

[T2k]

Well concerning the NV35, some information on HFR from the CEBIT ( http://www.hardware.fr/news/lire/13-03-2003/ ) and it seems a great chip.

First, the 4 dawns demo is named Harem, and the wings' details are simplified.

Then, the NV35 was running @ half the speed of a GFFX ultra (250 MHz?), it gives already more performance than a GFFX Ultra

If there's no mistake in the news, well, the NV35 will be da bomb 8)

Pour ce qui est de l’avenir, NVIDIA faisait la démonstration dans les coulisses de son NV35. Nous ne sommes pas encore en mesure de divulguer les spécifications de cette puce, mais il est clair qu’au vu de la démonstration son potentiel est impressionnant.

En effet, NVIDIA a fait tourner sur le NV35 une démo dénommée Harem et mettant en scène 4 fées Dawn identiques à celle qui était présente pour les démos du GeForce FX, en dehors des ailes dont la géométrie était simplifiée. De plus, nous avons pu voir quelques benchs "conventionnels", et malgré une fréquence bien inférieure à la finale (50% d´une 5800 Ultra) la puce était déjà nettement plus rapide qu’une GeForce FX 5800 Ultra. NVIDIA ne semble donc pas disposé à laisser ATI garder la 1ère place en terme de performance, reste à voir maintenant quelle sera le timing de sortie de cette nouvelle puce.

I don't buy it... half clock but double speed - based on the same architecture sketch?

C'mon... typical fairy tale.

 

[antlers]

I'm not sure why 4 Dawn's would be much more demanding than 1; sure there's more vector processing, but this benchmark is clearly pixel shader limited. If you are doing hidden surface removal correctly, how much more pixel shader work are you doing?

 

[nutball]

I don't buy it... half clock but double speed - based on the same architecture sketch?

C'mon... typical fairy tale.

It's pretty hard to believe isn't it? Unless something was seriously broken in NV30. Common sense suggests otherwise.

 

[Dave Baumann]

It looks like virtually all the PS had been removed from the wings, which just an alpha texture - but that was from eyeballing it. Clearly there was less detail there. VS counts for each model were said to be the same.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

in regards to item 1, how many delays are you willing to put up with before you go with another card.
later,

I'm not sure I understand your question.

I'm not waiting on a graphics card to build my new system. I'm waiting on the springdale chipsets / motherboards to be released. I'll then look at market prices for CPU and DDR 400 memory, and decide exactly what to buy, or possibly wait a little bit for CPU prices to drop a little more. (I'd really like a 3 Ghz Hyperthreaded CPU, but I refuse to pay more than $300 for any CPU. So I may wait for those prices to come down, or possibly go with one of the soon-to-be-releaesd lower clock HT CPUs...)

I'd REALLY like a 0.09u Palomino....but I don't think I have the patience to wait for them.

 

[Slides]

I'd REALLY like a 0.09u Palomino....but I don't think I have the patience to wait for them.

Palomino?

 

[Luminescent]

Does he mean prescott or palamino? I'm waiting for the prescomino @ .0 micron; it requires no cooling and can run as fast as the wind.

Nice one Joe.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

Yeah...make that Prescott.

 

[Archaeolept]

Well, June for availability seems pretty damn soon, given that its March and the NV30 isn't really available.

Still, I sure hope that Nvidia is getting their act together, however much amusement the tragi-comedy of the FX has given me.

I'll be looking to pick up a new card around them, and something's gotta put a bit of pressure on the R300 family.

but twice the speed at half the clockspeed is just pure bullshit.



Ati:--X--:-----:Nvidia

 

[Luminescent]

It may be capable of twice the shader ops per clock cycle (8 or 16), but twice the speed at half the clock? It would have around 4 times the capability . That cannot be, at least with the current stat of the .13 micron process.