NV30 delayed - Official

[alexsok]

why not , i just spent 450 on a card in sept. alright 400 but i had to get a dumb remote with it ... But yea I would. Just like there are people who spend 400 on a intel chip when they can get amd at the same performace for half the price. Its just like there are people driving on the road with $150,000+ cars

O.k, let's say you would buy that 650$ beast...

But you're not the one in question here, so it's really a quite useless discussion!

Bottom line is that the amount of people who would actually buy that 650$ video card is very small... hell, I wouldn't even call that price "high-end" as it even passes that category!

 

[martrox]

If it is going to take the big IHV's a 60gb/s bandwidth card, multi-chip for $650 to deliver that V5 IQ + anisotropic filtering and superior edge AA, then so be it.

And who would buy that 650$ video card?
No matter how revolutionary the part is, how it can render FF:TSW or Toy Story or crap like that, NO ONE would buy it if it costs that much, NO ONE!

I'd buy it in a heartbeat........ and I don't care who produces it.... Hell, I'd even pay M$ for it!

 

[Sharkfood]

Why not alexok? I'd buy it in a heartbeat and save THOUSANDS of dollars trying to reach that goal.

Visiontek Geforce 4 Ti4600 - $399
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro - $399
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= ~$800 in the past 6 months of video hardware purchases trying to see for myself if either of these can deliver anything to my existing games.

Somehow, I feel Im not the only one that has gone from Geforce4 -> 9700 pro either. I'd be willing to bet the majority of 9700 Pro owners are coming from a Geforce4 or GF3 Ti500.. which would easily exceed $600 in the past 6-8 months in video hardware.

 

[alexsok]

But that's not the point... oh well, never mind...

Perhaps you're right there... but the pricetag of 650$ still feels way too exagerrated to me!

 

[Sharkfood]

How is that not the point? The point being you dont seem to think people will pay exorbitant amounts of $$ for video hardware.

I would simply suggest the sheer number of folks (especially on this message board) that have owned Geforce3, 4, 9700 Pro and soon to also have the NV30..

$650 is chicken feed if it ends the neverending cycle for at least a while. I cant honestly think of ANYONE with a 1st or 2nd generation current videocard that wouldnt *RUSH* to get such a monster.

Those that don't are usually 1.2-1.4ghz/MX owners at current... and wouldnt buy the card if it were $250 or $650 as they need another $1100 in system hardware before such a decision would even make sense.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

Perhaps you're right there... but the pricetag of 650$ still feels way too exagerrated to me!

The point is as always.

If the product is worthy of a $600 price tag, people will buy it. Of course, not in the same absolute numbers as a $200 card. But again, you underestimate how much people will spend if they feel they are getting their money's worth.

The problem with most $400 card recently, with the exception of the 9700, is that they really didn't offer too much over a lower priced card.

 

[RussSchultz]

I'll have to disagree that a $400 card will sell like hotcakes.

Consumer electronics is has very elastic demand. There's no NEED to buy any of it, so as the price gets above a certain point, the demand drops off. But, on the other hand, if the price drops below a certain point, they sell like hotcakes. Which is why we (at work) gnash our teeth when our customers (Creative, SonicBlue, Philips) sell their MP3 products at a large premium. We don't get any of that premium--all we get is the selling price of the chip.

A $400 dollar product is a niche market (though maybe a very large niche in terms of raw numbers). A $100 dollar product is very mainstream. This is why DVDs are suddenly popular. They spent 2 years with players above $250 and didn't sell, now that they're $99, everybody's getting one.

Also, using people on this board as a bellweather for people spending a lot of money on video cards is just screwball.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

No one is saying a $400-$600 card would ever sell like hotcakes!

$400 is already niche...basically hard-core enthusiasts.

The point is, many of those same hard-core enthusiasts would be willing to pay even more....if the card was worth it. In other words, there IS a market for $600 cards not too dissimilar from the $400 one.

 

[Silent_One]

I'll have to disagree that a $400 card will sell like hotcakes.

Well, with ATI selling over a million 9700s I'd say it's pretty hot, even if it's not mainstream!

 

[Evildeus]

Well i have a question: the "january quarter" is it the Nvidia's quarter finishing on the 27th? If then how can we say that their won't be any chip in december?

 

[Richthofen]

yeah i thought about that yesterday during the conference call too.

As far as i know the january quater is Nvidias 4th quater. That would mean they start production shipment during the current quater.
On the other hand it can also mean Nvidia's 1st quater 2003.

The CEO left all doors open for speculation. I think he does not want to confirm anything.
At the end of the conference call he said something like "ok guys.. thx for joining us today - looking forward to talk to you about NV30 during the next conference call."

I really don't know what is going to happen. I think we all will have to wait and see

 

[Evildeus]

Well, a french site (clubic) says it got confirmation (?) from Nvidia saying its this quarter (finishing on the 27th of january). Links in the news forum

 

[Richthofen]

that would be great

 

[nggalai]

Well i have a question: the "january quarter" is it the Nvidia's quarter finishing on the 27th? If then how can we say that their won't be any chip in december?

In the past, NV's financial January quarter ended on 18 January (or 16th? can't remember). So, yeah--Huang has been vague enough to support anything between November and January for shipping dates of the chipsets.

ta,
-Sascha.rb

 

[Evildeus]

In the past, NV's financial January quarter ended on 18 January (or 16th? can't remember). So, yeah--Huang has been vague enough to support anything between November and January for shipping dates of the chipsets.

ta,
-Sascha.rb

Look 2 response above

 

[Dave Baumann]

In the past, NV's financial January quarter ended on 18 January (or 16th? can't remember). So, yeah--Huang has been vague enough to support anything between November and January for shipping dates of the chipsets.

Well, that being the case wouldn't it be between now and April?

Anyway, is the "What Quarter" question the new "tape-out"?

 

[jvd]

[quote="alexsok]
O.k, let's say you would buy that 650$ beast...

But you're not the one in question here, so it's really a quite useless discussion!

Bottom line is that the amount of people who would actually buy that 650$ video card is very small... hell, I wouldn't even call that price "high-end" as it even passes that category![/quote]

Think of it this way. Back when the geforce 3 came out it was what 400$ ? Now imagine if ati came out with the 9700 pro the week after the geforce 3 came out(not the ti the normal one) The geforce 3 well had the geforce 3 speeds and the 9700 pro came out and had the power that it has today. Your telling me at that point you wouldn't spend 650$ on the 9700 pro ? If ati said hey here is the 9900 pro maxx that gets 60fps in Doom 3 everything max with 4fsa and 16tap aniso you wouldn't wouldn't pay the 650$ for it? It happens all the time. HDTV came out and my father could have gotten a 80 inch projection tv for 2grand or a 40 inch htdv for 7 grand. He bought the hdtv. How about dvd players. I got mine for 400 and my sister just got one now for 75. Vcrs ? My dads first one was 800 and my first one was 50 . Trust me there are people out there that would pay a million dollars for crap if they can brag about it .

 

[woolfe99]

Saying that there is a market for a $650 video card ignores the obvious. Nvidia/ATI, etc. could always create a multichip design and scale performance up through the ceiling. At a very high price to the consumer. Yet there is a notable absence of such solutions. Why, for example, do ATI fans keep quelling about getting a "MAXX" version of whatever the current ATI flagship is, but ATI never seems to deliver? Because there isn't a market for $650 vid cards for gamers substantial enough to justify the costs.

Recall 3dfx and the V5 6000 debacle. 3dfx ultimately canned that project because they reasoned that the market was insufficient for a $600+ vid card, regardless of its performance. They had cashflow issues and technical problems as well, but the point is, people have psychological bounderies that control how much they are willing to pay for a certain commodity, regardless of its quality. $650 for a gaming card is unpredecented and as such, would not be accepted, even if the card was 3x faster than its closest competitor with rock solid drivers. The analogy to $150,000 cars is a poor one. Rich people buy $150,000 cars because they want luxory items. But the market of gamers interested in videocards in not populated by excessive amounts of "rich people."

There may be no shortage of people on a forum like this who would (at least in theory) be willing to buy such a product, but this forum is hardly a microcasm of the gaming community, and let alone the market for computer products at large.

 

[Nagorak]

No one is saying a $400-$600 card would ever sell like hotcakes!

$400 is already niche...basically hard-core enthusiasts.

The point is, many of those same hard-core enthusiasts would be willing to pay even more....if the card was worth it. In other words, there IS a market for $600 cards not too dissimilar from the $400 one.

I really disagree. As you add each $50 past $400 the amount of people buying the card drops off dramatically. $400 is already an insane rip off, but paying half again that price? Even the most hardcore gamer is going to have a hard time justifying the price, and even among those who can justify it most wouldn't even be able to afford it.

 

[OpenGL guy]

$400 is already an insane rip off

Pretty strong words. Do you know how much it costs to make a high-end video chip? Do you know how much high-end memory costs? Do you know how much R&D it takes to make a high-end chip? Do you know how much it costs to support a driver team?