NPD September 2004
- Thread starter Johnny Awesome
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Pikmin 2, though, I thought was released on August 30th, so I think that will account for all of its September sales.
Sonic said:
I'm not concerned for Nintendo at all. After all, they're acctualy making a profit, where as Microsoft is hemorrhaging money. That's not to say I'm concerned for Microsoft either, they knew they from day one that this gereration was going to be a loss for them, and so they aren't going anywhere anytime soon either.
I'm just saying that even though the numbers may not look good for Nintendo, they're not going anywhere. People just associate them as 'losing' because they used to be number one and have now since moved moved down in rank. Just like how people associate Microsoft as a 'winning' because they used to be last and have since moved up in rank.
But remember that's only in regards to consoles, Nintendo still dominates the handheld market. Some may feel handhelds are only a niche market, but the sales numbers seen here clearly show it's larger than most people think.
Sony's numbers are dropping more to market saturation than them acctualy losing ground to Micrsoft and Nintendo. As in anyone who's likely to buy a PS2 has already bought one, therefore sales numbers have started to fall. XBoxes and Gamecubes are now mostly being bought as a secondary system by people who already own PS2s.
I myself have recently purchased a Gamecube as a secondary system. My PS2 was purchased in 2001 around the time Gran Turismo 3 was released, and while I've been relativley satisfied with it's extensive library of games, I recently found myself yearing for something different. After doing some research I found that the XBox really offered nothing I couldn't either find on my PS2 or my PC, where-as the Gamecube offered plenty of great titles found no where else.
I've found it to be a perfect compliment to my PS2, with my PS2 I can play great sports, racing, and rpgs and on the Gamecube I can play great adventure, puzzle, and platforming games.
I myself have recently purchased a Gamecube as a secondary system. My PS2 was purchased in 2001 around the time Gran Turismo 3 was released, and while I've been relativley satisfied with it's extensive library of games, I recently found myself yearing for something different. After doing some research I found that the XBox really offered nothing I couldn't either find on my PS2 or my PC, where-as the Gamecube offered plenty of great titles found no where else.
I've found it to be a perfect compliment to my PS2, with my PS2 I can play great sports, racing, and rpgs and on the Gamecube I can play great adventure, puzzle, and platforming games.
It is not the question of whether Nintendo is profitable or not, it is the question of growth. Nintendo is looking at another handheld to supplement the GBA and provide more growth in that area. That can either be a huge success or it can also backfire and cause consumer interest in the GBA to falter. I'm not saying that this is what will happen but you never know. Gamecube sales may pick up when MP2 is released but it will not have the same effect as Halo 2 will for the Xbox. RE4 is getting quite a good amount of hype and I do see that selling an extra 100,000 units for the GCN easily and more. The new Zelda hasn't been hyped that much just yet but if it does then it could prove to be the one killer title that the Gamecube never had.
But all that doesn't mean much if Nintendo's marketshare in the console industry is fading. Nintendo may or may not be making a profit from the Gamecube right now. The game's sales are relatively lackluster and Nintendo's own titles don't sell like they used to. I just think it's time for Nintendo to make a comeback in a big way. What's the point of straggling along without providing serious competition. Nintendo's attitude is that it wants to be different from the crowd (Sony and MS) and that is where it will end up either winning or losing. So far in terms of marketshare it is losing regardless of profits. If the Revolution turns out to be a revolution then I will stand by Nintendo 100%, but as of now their business decisions leave a lot to be desired.
The PS2 sales might be slow right not, but a pricedrop to $99 is an easy fix and a good way to make sales surge once again. And I'm sure the PSTwo will be able to sell double of what PSOne did.
But all that doesn't mean much if Nintendo's marketshare in the console industry is fading. Nintendo may or may not be making a profit from the Gamecube right now. The game's sales are relatively lackluster and Nintendo's own titles don't sell like they used to. I just think it's time for Nintendo to make a comeback in a big way. What's the point of straggling along without providing serious competition. Nintendo's attitude is that it wants to be different from the crowd (Sony and MS) and that is where it will end up either winning or losing. So far in terms of marketshare it is losing regardless of profits. If the Revolution turns out to be a revolution then I will stand by Nintendo 100%, but as of now their business decisions leave a lot to be desired.
The PS2 sales might be slow right not, but a pricedrop to $99 is an easy fix and a good way to make sales surge once again. And I'm sure the PSTwo will be able to sell double of what PSOne did.
Sonic said:
There's a shortage of PS2 on the US (and the world) the last two months, because Sony are getting a rid of their stock of old PS2, since the new one will replace the old model completely.
That explains the numbers for the PS2 sales.
:? there's something weird in those first batch of numbers.
Are the "Hw" numbers supposed to be the 15 games added up?
If so, they don't seem to be correct.
I put those numbers from top 15 xbox and top 15 PS2 together, and I came up with following numbers:
30,221,589,258,921 for xbox
86,274,544,123,138 for PS2
Is there something wrong in my calculations, or have the figures been touched up
:?
Edit: Oh, so the "Hw" must mean only Hardware sales, so they have nothing to do with the other numbers?
Are the "Hw" numbers supposed to be the 15 games added up?
If so, they don't seem to be correct.
I put those numbers from top 15 xbox and top 15 PS2 together, and I came up with following numbers:
30,221,589,258,921 for xbox
86,274,544,123,138 for PS2
Is there something wrong in my calculations, or have the figures been touched up
:?
Edit: Oh, so the "Hw" must mean only Hardware sales, so they have nothing to do with the other numbers?
Um... I know Hw sales have little to do with sw numbers (market saturation, console having been longer in market etc...), I'm not that dumb
So, the "Hw" is hardware sales number?
So, the "Hw" is hardware sales number?
DEO3 said:
Software sales has nothing with market saturation.
The fact you can squeeze from those sales numbers is that PS2 users are generally losing interest in buying PS2 games compared to Xbox users. It means that PS2 users save money for something ahead and that PS2 is entering its final stage of life unlike finally gearing-up Xbox.
And Sony has not had a "Exclusive Big Seller" for months.
Xbox had the much waited and hyped platform exclusive Fable, that did a lot for software sales.
PS2 has had not such title since... I can't even remember what was the last such title, must've been at least a year ago. The GTA:SA will likely make a biiiig jump in sw sales.
Xbox had the much waited and hyped platform exclusive Fable, that did a lot for software sales.
PS2 has had not such title since... I can't even remember what was the last such title, must've been at least a year ago. The GTA:SA will likely make a biiiig jump in sw sales.
PS2 is going through its final stage of life? Have you had a look at the chart? If you did then you would see that the PS2 games outsold the Xbox games. Seems to me that interest isn't that low for PS2 as if it was then game sales would be super low. Of course this holiday season with MGS3 and GTA: SA will be completely different.
I really can't remember the last time a HUGE PS2 game came out. Sony seem to want to delay all the big titles so as to increase PS2's lifecycle, which is ok for me as long as they don't start delaying the only thing i'm not selling mine, Ico2 (or A Fish Called Wanda or whatever it's called)
Remember that PS2 has already sold a whole lot, it's normal that sales slow down. Until the new big games come out. And i think many people will adopt the new model, much more appealing on the eyes. I would, seen how my ps2 is being a bit moody lately.
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DEO3 said:
You make some very good points. In the area of consoles, I think that Nintendo is watching Sony and Microsoft very closely. They look at Sony and see a company that has sold 70 million+ PS2s but was unable to post a profit in their gaming division recently. They look at Microsoft and they see a company that has lost about 3 billion dollars just to sell a fraction of what the PS2 has sold. Therefore, I think that Nintendo looks at Sony and Microsoft and says to themselves, "we are not going to copy those business models".
BTW, it looks like Microsoft is looking at Nintendo and saying to themselves, "we are going to copy their business model". Right now the Xbox2 looks like what the GCN2 would look like in late 2005. Additionally, Microsoft's spokesmen (when they talk about the Xbox2) now sound like Nintendo's spokesmen did at the beginning of this generation when they were talking about the Gamecube.
When all is said and done Nintendo is comfortable being the "Toyota" of the gaming industry. Sony is more like the "General Motors" of the gaming industry. General Motors sells more cars than Toyota, but Toyota is far more profitable.
