NPD October 2010

[eastmen]

Yes if Sony is counting each piece of hardware as a "Move", technically a Sports Champion pack, Nav controller, and an extra wand=4 moves. Eyetoy+Wand+Wand+Nav controller. Yet only one complete setup is purchased (though I suppose, the second wand could also be used by a second player, making it a gray area).

actually for every sports hero package 3 more stand alone wands can be purchased for play. On the flip side , i owned eye toy and so i just bought a move controller.

so who knows what the actually install base of move is. I doubt even sony really knows

 

[goonergaz]

<about Move>Now after they've already sold 3.5 million

Really? Did I miss that announcement? I saw the 1.5m + 1m = 2.5m shipped, where/when was the 3.5m shipped mentioned?

 

[Tap In]

updated

4- week month; reporting period 10/3/10 through 10/30/10

Software:

01. NBA 2K11 (360, PS3, PS2, PSP, WII, PC) TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE
New! 02. Fallout: New Vegas **(360, PS3, PC) BETHESDA SOFTWORKS - 1,117,000
03. Medal of Honor **(360, PS3, PC) ELECTRONIC ARTS
New! 04. Fable III **(360) MICROSOFT - 580K - Second highest individual SKU
05. Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II **(360, PS3, WII, PC, NDS) LUCASARTS
New! 06. Halo: Reach **(360) MICROSOFT - 315K
New! 07. Just Dance 2 (WII) UBISOFT - 286K
08. FIFA Soccer 11 (PS3, 360, WII, PS2, PSP, NDS, PC) ELECTRONIC ARTS
09. Madden NFL 11 (360, PS3, WII, PS2, PSP) ELECTRONIC ARTS
New! 10. WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2011 (PS3, 360, PS2, WII, PSP) THQ - 225K

**(includes CE, GOTY editions, bundles, etc. but not those bundled with hardware)

New! 15. Rock Band 3 (All Platforms)

New! Fallout: New Vegas Xbox 360 SKU Only - 679K - Top individual SKU
New! Fallout: New Vegas (PC) -- 107K (Retail Only)
New! Fallout: New Vegas PS3 -- 331K (via math)

Hardware:



New! Xbox 360 - 325k, is now the best selling console year to date, only console that's up year over year

New! PS3 - Under 250k

New! Wii - At least 204k

 

[patsu]

Yes if Sony is counting each piece of hardware as a "Move", technically a Sports Champion pack, Nav controller, and an extra wand=4 moves. Eyetoy+Wand+Wand+Nav controller. Yet only one complete setup is purchased (though I suppose, the second wand could also be used by a second player, making it a gray area).

Ha ha, A wand is a Move controller. The PSEye and Nav controller are not Move controller. 1 Sports Champions bundle only has 1 Move controller. ^_^

But of course like Wii, 1 PS3 unit can have multiple Move controllers.

 

[RobertR1]

Gaf math lead to PSP sales: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=24435020&postcount=804

PSP~75k. Come on Marcus

 

[Rangers]

by my reckoning from amazon all 3 consoles are pretty close this month ~15%

Bzzz

360 325k
PS3 250k
Wii 232k

If above are accurate, which I think they are as far as I can see. If you trust the games industry report, which has virtually been corroborated by now.

BTW speaking of Amazon it seems 360 would get a big kinect boost in November? I see often two Kinect 360 SKU's in top 20. Edit: Well I DID see that, both seem sold out and below 80 now.

from the looks of the systems order is in the order they sold in. Well thats my theory.

Yes this seems true. Both I know of a guy on forums who gets NPD who said so, and that for example, Fifa sold better on PS3 by that method, which would seem to be likely.

 

[patsu]

Nov 360 number should be huge. MS has been advertising Kinect and 360 for some time now. Even people like me who rarely watch TV saw a few. Haven't seen a PS3 or Wii TV ads for ages. There is also a price difference between the entry-level units. So MS should get better momentum in general. Sony came in one year late, and has done well in pushing hardware so far. It's the software integration and user experiences they need to work on.

 

[zed]

Errrr, Pachter... something doesn't make sense there... I'll leave it to you to guess what it might be

NPD versus the world
(Prophecy2k) oh (gulp)

ps3 is less than 250k

Bzzzz back

Ill do the charts later

Apparently, halo reach performed worse than halo3's second month (after equalling first month) even with ~3x the install base + the largest game advertising budget in history.
Perhaps a mistake to let bungie do the game, if they'ld grown tired with the series

Ill do charts later on

 

[scently]

Nov 360 number should be huge. MS has been advertising Kinect and 360 for some time now. Even people like me who rarely watch TV saw a few. Haven't seen a PS3 or Wii TV ads for ages. There is also a price difference between the entry-level units. So MS should get better momentum in general. Sony came in one year late, and has done well in pushing hardware so far. It's the software integration and user experiences they need to work on.

I think Sony are doing quite well with software integration, at least when it comes to movies and media consumption. They are just announcing media partners left and right.

 

[Rangers]

NPD versus the world
(Prophecy2k) oh (gulp)


Bzzzz back

Ill do the charts later

Apparently, halo reach performed worse than halo3's second month (after equalling first month) even with ~3x the install base + the largest game advertising budget in history.
Perhaps a mistake to let bungie do the game, if they'ld grown tired with the series

Ill do charts later on

This article seems to reveal Wii and PS3 sales. That is if you trust it. I'd say it's legit. http://www.industrygamers.com/news/wii-sells-232000-in-october-places-third-again/

Following the release of the NPD October sales report, IndustryGamers has learned that Nintendo sold just 232,000 units of the Wii console, putting it firmly in third place yet again. The Xbox 360 sold 325,000 units, while Sony's PS3 sold 250,000 units. The Wii sales figure represents a year-over-year decline of 54% while PS3 was down 22% and 360 was up 30%.

People seem to be ignoring it because Evilore hasn't acknowledged it in the GAF OP. However I think he just doesn't want to openly condone possible "leaks", even small ones.

For example, Pachter revealed that YoY PS3+360+Wii sales were down a certain percent, since we knew 360, it was clear Wii+PS3 sold 482k....which happens to match perfectly with the link.

So yeah anyway, not sure your point, being wrong on a triviality (which I wasn't) doesn't equate to your wrong Amazon predictions. Not that I'm attacking you, but I did seem to say I thought Amazon would be hard to get a read on sales from

As for Halo, yes it's sales are un-amazing, but OTOH 3.6 million in two months is pretty good. Especially seeing some of the fairly weak numbers other games are putting up, and the fact of competing with COD. But Reach is a great game, so no mistake letting Bungie do it. However for me, I do think the Bungie Halo formula may have Reached (pun intended) it's pinnacle with Reach, so I am somewhat excited to see a new team crack at it. I'd also like to see even further graphical upgrades on an truly all new engine.

 

[djskribbles]

Sequels on a platform usually sell less. This is now the 3rd Halo on the 360 (or 4th if you count Halo Wars).

 

[Rangers]

Sequels on a platform usually sell less. This is now the 3rd Halo on the 360 (or 4th if you count Halo Wars).

COD? God of War maybe?

I dunno, I've heard that before, but it's never sounded right to me. If anything I've always noticed gaming is the opposite of movies. In movies, each sequel tends to decline (that's why you tend to not see, say, beyond part 3 of any major franchise, not without a reboot or long gap). OTOH gaming is dominated by sequels, and each sequel seems better than the last, and usually sells better too. I'm trying to think of examples, GTA4 is an obvious one. But if you think of "huge upcoming games", they'll probably all be sequels, Gears 3, GT5, Killzone 3, just as examples, all bigger badder, more hyped than the last.

 

[djskribbles]

That's what I've heard as well. :smile:
Now that I think of it, it does seem 50/50, at least off the top of my head.

 

[patsu]

I think Sony are doing quite well with software integration, at least when it comes to movies and media consumption. They are just announcing media partners left and right.

Nope. Quite the opposite. They are cluttering the XMB as they announce more services. It's the integration and user experience that they need to focus on moving forward, like what the Home people have started to do in their own spaces. Hope that momentum continues. Integration is not a long list of services. There should be multiplier effect as a result of the integration.


Sony seems to understand that it needs to work on software, but as usual, it's a very dollar-and-sense company (like most hardware companies):
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...Sales__iPod_Touch_Cannibalizing_Handhelds.php

For Sony Computer Entertainment of America, it's software momentum on which the company's currently focused. "PlayStation 3 software sales were incredibly strong in October and PS3 was the only platform that had growth in the software over September, to the tune of nearly 50 percent," says SCEA corporate communcations director Patrick Seybold. "With next week's launch of the industry's most anticipated title, Gran Turismo 5, we're sure to carry the momentum through the holidays."

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Yes if Sony is counting each piece of hardware as a "Move", technically a Sports Champion pack, Nav controller, and an extra wand=4 moves. Eyetoy+Wand+Wand+Nav controller. Yet only one complete setup is purchased (though I suppose, the second wand could also be used by a second player, making it a gray area).

Move isn't their motion branding, but the name of the controller. You buy a Move controller or unit. The camera's don't count, and neither would the navigation controller. Developers may want to know the adoption rate of navicons, but as every PS3 owner has a sxs/DS they can use in its place, that's non-esssential info. Absolute users would be a more useful metric for developers than total sales but that info isn't available without snooping user data from online PS3's. Move's sold is the relevant information for business, who don't care if the product is sold to 3 million people or 1 person 3 million times - it's all the same money in Sony's coffers.

I dunno, I've heard that before, but it's never sounded right to me.

Last gen and the gen before, it was definitely true. I think this gen the biggest titles have tended to improve on previous iterations of the franchise, but only the biggest. this is the sort of trend that's easily identifiable given we have access to these sorts of stats, if you can find anyone who's logged them!

 

[eastmen]

Move isn't their motion branding, but the name of the controller. You buy a Move controller or unit. The camera's don't count, and neither would the navigation controller. Developers may want to know the adoption rate of navicons, but as every PS3 owner has a sxs/DS they can use in its place, that's non-esssential info. Absolute users would be a more useful metric for developers than total sales but that info isn't available without snooping user data from online PS3's. Move's sold is the relevant information for business, who don't care if the product is sold to 3 million people or 1 person 3 million times - it's all the same money in Sony's coffers.
Last gen and the gen before, it was definitely true. I think this gen the biggest titles have tended to improve on previous iterations of the franchise, but only the biggest. this is the sort of trend that's easily identifiable given we have access to these sorts of stats, if you can find anyone who's logged them!

I would think developers want to know who is buying move.

If they are only counting controllers then 1 person could be logicly buying up to 4 move controllers. So sales of 4m move controllers could be as low as 1m people actually capable of playing move games.

As I've said before the number of functioning move set ups is going to be hard to guess cause there are so many ways to put them together.

Buy a sports champion pack or other pack and thats it
But a pack and then a second controller
buy a pack and then two extra move controllers
Have a camera so you simply buy a move controller (like me)

Those are some of the options.

But like i said I'm sure devs would love to know so they know what priority they give move.

Its much more simple to count wii's and kinects.

Each system sold is 1 more buyer for wii products. Same with kinect. Each kinect or kinect bundle is a kinect user.

Regardles both move and kinect seem to be selling very well

 

[patsu]

I would think developers want to know who is buying move.

Yap ! Those kind of data will need user survey (traditionally).

If they are only counting controllers then 1 person could be logicly buying up to 4 move controllers. So sales of 4m move controllers could be as low as 1m people actually capable of playing move games.

It doesn't matter. They don't mix sales data with market intelligence. Install base research is done separately using different data set.

 

[Rangers]

Well with Evilore updating another round of numbers, looks like we're to the "at least as much data as before they stopped giving data" stage again Even if it is a bit fractured now.

Hardware is pretty official now at:

DS 342k
360 325k
PS3 250k
Wii 232k
PSP ~75k

 

[Silent_Buddha]

Now just need the OP, or someone, to update the first post.

Unfortunately while that completes the hardware picture, the software picture is still a mess. With the only thing we know being that the top four software titles by platform went to X360. And even then we only know 2 of them (Fallout X360 first with Reach second). Would be nice to see how the rest falls out.

Regards,
SB

 

[RobertR1]

More random tidbits:
Neogaf:
VANQUISH < ENSLAVED 360 < NBA JAM

Reference:

VANQUISH < ENSALVED 360 < NBA JAM (50K)

Wii Party: 150,000
Kirby's Epic Yarn: 100,000
NBA Jam: 50,000
Shaun White Skateboarding: 6,000