woundingchaney
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MS & Sony aren't comparing..
You are..
I cant help but feel quite sure that both MS and Sony are comparing. They would be fools not to.
No more NPD numbers (group hug coming up!)
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I cant help but feel quite sure that both MS and Sony are comparing. They would be fools not to.
Of course - they would be stupid to ignore the market leader. You just need to look at their PR statements around NPD's to know this is the case. Not sure why this causes some people to become so dramatic or defensive.
Brand loyalty is confusing.Of course - they would be stupid to ignore the market leader. You just need to look at their PR statements around NPD's to know this is the case. Not sure why this causes some people to become so dramatic or defensive.
I think there is something to the idea that MS and Sony don't really feel they are competing directly with the wii. There is definitely some competition and I've no doubt that they both have an eye on wii, but they really are targeting a somewhat different market.
archangelmorph
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Of course - they would be stupid to ignore the market leader. You just need to look at their PR statements around NPD's to know this is the case. Not sure why this causes some people to become so dramatic or defensive.
Whose being "brand loyal"..?
I'm suprised such immature insinuations are still being fired up on a board like this?
AlphaWolf basically qualified my arguement & in addition, I seriously think both MS & Sony's biggest concern in the short term is not against Wii sales figures compared to their own (the console is considerably cheaper/accessible so that's kinda a no brainer..?!) but towards there own profitability & increasing their own brand strength in major territories..
Like i've stated many times on these boards, Wii's software/hardware sales don't take away anything from Xbox360 or the PS3's, & as such, for Sony or MS to compare their own sales figures against Nintendo's in an attempt to draw conclusions not already known would be fruitless (at least until all platforms reach a similar price point..)
What is the gap now between 360 and PS3 in the US? 5-5.5m? I really think if PS3 doesn't do extremely well this xmas, that it'll continue to track behind the 360 the rest of this gen in the US. The sales of the PS3 is similar to the GC so far in the US it seems.
edit: found the US #s
US LTD:
360 7,092,151
PS3 1,980,649
so just a shade over 5m.
edit: found the US #s
US LTD:
360 7,092,151
PS3 1,980,649
so just a shade over 5m.
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iceberg187
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Johnny Awesome
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The main reason why Sony can't catch MS in the US this generation is the friends factor. It looks like MS is going to come out of 2007 with an 11 million to 3.5 million userbase advantage.
11 million owners doesn't mean: "My friend has an X360". It means: "Most of my friends have an X360". 3.5 million owners means: "I might know a PS3 owner".
It becomes increasingly difficult to sell a more expensive PS3 into a market where gamers know 3 times as many X360 owners as PS3 owners, especially when X360 now has such a great back catalogue and most of Sony's big hitters aren't coming for months if not a year from now.
11 million owners doesn't mean: "My friend has an X360". It means: "Most of my friends have an X360". 3.5 million owners means: "I might know a PS3 owner".
It becomes increasingly difficult to sell a more expensive PS3 into a market where gamers know 3 times as many X360 owners as PS3 owners, especially when X360 now has such a great back catalogue and most of Sony's big hitters aren't coming for months if not a year from now.
I think the friend appeal is definitely biggest for online gaming. If I want to play Call of Duty 4 online, I'm going to buy the version that my friends are playing. That could make it hard to sway people over to a competing service further into the system life cycle. Some people will own both systems, but I think most people would only have one or the other.
iceberg187
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I guess I must be one of the only people who still feels the PS3 will win this gen in the long run.
What is your rationale?
Well,I think the PS name in general still stands for mainstream gaming whereas 360 has an image problem like Wii but in the opposoite direction. What's that saying now about 360..":guns and cars". And the software released until this point hasn't done much to change that. In the long if they can't turn that around I think it could be their achiles heel,like the kiddy image for Wii is their achiles heel.
Sony on the other hand is releasing titles early like Drake and R&C that have more mainstream appeal IMO than games like Bioshock or Mass Effect. These are the kind of titles that while they themselves might not sell more titles,they draw in gamers from a more diverse spectrum and draw in gamers that are more open to buying a more diverse lineup of games. Those more mainstream titles lay the groundwork for more mainstream appeal later on.Those titles like Drake that have a very mainstream theme,characters and gameplay than a game like Bioshock or even Halo,can also spark interest in other genres. By constrast, if you weren't that interested in a platformer game before playing a game like Bioshock for example,the game won't do much to change that. Sometimes you have to look at a game beyond what it itself sells,but for what other games it can sell in the long run. I think Sony is already showing signs of that.
I think hardware wise,as the price comes down the better value IMO of the PS3 and all that's included will become even more apparent.
I think the only problem all along with the PS3 has beenprice. People want the system,the software is starting to come.
I don't think the numbers wil be dramaticaly different, and it may take until year 4 to see the win,but I think in overal software sold the PS3 will win out.
I expect the the 360 to have a smaller group of really high selling hardcore games,while the PS3 will have a larger group of good seeling games with the odd peak.
By mainstream I mean titltes that draw in gamers that don't just buy a lot of one type of game. PS2 didn't win by selling dozens of titles that sold millions. It won by selling hunderds of titles that sold thousands.
Edit: I'm not being literal,just trying to convey a concept.
So the fact that the 360 has a library of 300 games (about 200 of which aren't FPS or racing games) is somehow overlooked?
By most of it's userbase yes it is overlooked. Most of the titles that do really well on the 360 are a very specific type. MS is putting certain games very prominently up front, and it in turn attracts a certain type of gamer. One that spends a lot of money on those specific type of games. It's basically doing what it did last gen,and I would expect the same results in the long run.
