no 6800ultra Extreme, still the same 6800ultra

[digitalwanderer]

I think "speed is king" died with the R3xx line, since then eye-candy became just as important. (At least I can't live without AA anymore! )

Nah. I think it's just the most objective thing reviewers can measure, and so they feel more comfortable in awarding prizes based on it.

Anyway, statements like the above are why not many people buy the highest-end versions of these parts.

I beg to differ, I think not many people buy the highest-end versions of these parts because they cost five bloody hundred dollars!

 

[trinibwoy]

I beg to differ, I think not many people buy the highest-end versions of these parts because they cost five bloody hundred dollars!

So true. Although the big boys are good fodder for forum discussion it'll be the victor in the $200-$300 range that will be seeing my greenbacks.

 

[ERK]

Maybe because nvidia evangelized them to do so in gf3 gf4 era ?

No. Reviewers looked almost solely at framerates before nVidia "made it big," so to speak. The "speed is king" methodology was born with 3dfx.

Ah, the good ol' days. Remember Tom's monster truck madness BMs?

 

[Socos]

I think "speed is king" died with the R3xx line, since then eye-candy became just as important. (At least I can't live without AA anymore! )

Nah. I think it's just the most objective thing reviewers can measure, and so they feel more comfortable in awarding prizes based on it.

Anyway, statements like the above are why not many people buy the highest-end versions of these parts.

I beg to differ, I think not many people buy the highest-end versions of these parts because they cost five bloody hundred dollars!

You are correct, however, most people will buy the lower end of the highest performing product simply because they assume the lower end part is faster than the others lower end part, if you understand my meaning.

The thing that frustrates me the most is that when ATI supported PS1.4 everyone said it didn't make a difference that it was just a checkbox feature... Now that Nivida has PS3.0 support and ATI doesn't they are making it out to be the second coming... I guess if anything Nivida definately has a better PR department then ATI...

 

[KimB]

Ah, the good ol' days. Remember Tom's monster truck madness BMs?

Haha. That was a long time ago. Heck, you can probably still find 'em if you really want. He seems to keep reviews from way back.

 

[KimB]

Anyway, statements like the above are why not many people buy the highest-end versions of these parts.

I beg to differ, I think not many people buy the highest-end versions of these parts because they cost five bloody hundred dollars!

That's sort of the point. It costs twice as much, but I can do all the same stuff with this slower card, so why should I pay? It's not just because the high-end cards are so expensive: it's because the cheaper ones are so capable.

 

[digitalwanderer]

That's sort of the point. It costs twice as much, but I can do all the same stuff with this slower card, so why should I pay? It's not just because the high-end cards are so expensive: it's because the cheaper ones are so capable.

Sorry, I guess I didn't get your point.

I agree that the $200-$300 range will be the big money maker on this round, although I'm kind of wondering what the low-end will look like/be priced at too a bit now.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Anyway, statements like the above are why not many people buy the highest-end versions of these parts.

I beg to differ, I think not many people buy the highest-end versions of these parts because they cost five bloody hundred dollars!

That's sort of the point. It costs twice as much, but I can do all the same stuff with this slower card, so why should I pay? It's not just because the high-end cards are so expensive: it's because the cheaper ones are so capable.

It really depends on the generation. I think a lot more people would feel justified spending $500 on an X800XT or a 6800U than they would have on a 5950 or a 9800XT, and rightly so. Despite that I expect ATi and Nvidia sold quite a number of those small performance boost cards.

The X800 pro's which are currently selling above msrp look like quite the bargain compared the 9800XT cards. Often selling for only a few dollars more in price while offering significant performance improvements.

 

[KimB]

It really depends on the generation. I think a lot more people would feel justified spending $500 on an X800XT or a 6800U than they would have on a 5950 or a 9800XT, and rightly so. Despite that I expect ATi and Nvidia sold quite a number of those small performance boost cards.

But at the same time, the $300 cards also look excellent. I do, however, think ATI's charging way too much for the 12-pipe X800 Pro ($500 last I checked).

 

[Eronarn]

It really depends on the generation. I think a lot more people would feel justified spending $500 on an X800XT or a 6800U than they would have on a 5950 or a 9800XT, and rightly so. Despite that I expect ATi and Nvidia sold quite a number of those small performance boost cards.

But at the same time, the $300 cards also look excellent. I do, however, think ATI's charging way too much for the 12-pipe X800 Pro ($500 last I checked).

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1082519264724&skuId=6628919&type=product

 

[Joe DeFuria]

It really depends on the generation. I think a lot more people would feel justified spending $500 on an X800XT or a 6800U than they would have on a 5950 or a 9800XT, and rightly so. Despite that I expect ATi and Nvidia sold quite a number of those small performance boost cards.

But at the same time, the $300 cards also look excellent. I do, however, think ATI's charging way too much for the 12-pipe X800 Pro ($500 last I checked).

Where do you check?

ATI charged $450 for their "special edition" Pro (with t-shirt, mouse-pad, etc.)

The card MSRPs for $399...

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1082519264724&skuId=6628919&type=product

heck you can pre-order the XT PE for I believe $450 from CompUSA...($499 plus a $50 rebate using some promotional code...)

 

[Tahir2]

X800 Pro will be around £299 in the UK and should be here in about 4 weeks or less.

 

[AlphaWolf]

To be fair to Chalnoth, there are quite a few places currently gouging a bit for the X800pro. Very few actually have them listed at msrp. Which is to be expected since it is the fastest card anyone can buy by a significant margin. This will likely continue until they are readily available in retail.

 

[Joe DeFuria]

To be fair to Chalnoth, there are quite a few places currently gouging a bit for the X800pro. Very few actually have them listed at msrp. Which is to be expected since it is the fastest card anyone can buy by a significant margin. This will likely continue until they are readily available in retail.

Sure...this is not what ATI is charging for the Pro, which is what Chalnoth said.

You can already buy it MSRP. And you don't have to look hard to find it.

And yes, as soon as it reaches wider distribution (and also, whenever nVidia decides to ship a competitive product), the street prices should drop a bit further.

 

[Eronarn]

and also, whenever nVidia decides to ship a competitive product

Eh, maybe next year, Nvidia? 8)

 

[fallguy]

Newegg has the Sapphire X800 Pro for the low low price of $445.

 

[AlphaWolf]

Newegg has the Sapphire X800 Pro for the low low price of $445.

Considering that that's 11$ more than the 9800XT it looks like a steal.

 

[martrox]

Was at my local CompUSA today and I saw bunches of X800Pro's, priced at $399. I grabbed a box..... and, with a broken heart, slowly put it back....it was, as they all were, empty! I was told they should be in stock within the next 2 weeks.......

 

[DemoCoder]

Say what? Weren't they supposed to be available immediately after launch? How unethical and dishonest.

 

[fallguy]

Newegg has the Sapphire X800 Pro for the low low price of $445.

Considering that that's 11$ more than the 9800XT it looks like a steal.

Considering other vendors (and the M.S.R.P. is $400) have it for $399.99, its not.

Say what? Weren't they supposed to be available immediately after launch? How unethical and dishonest.

They were... to a certain extent. Available to order online... Someone at the Anand forums has already recieved his. Posted a 2001SE score of 22k stock, on a 2gig XP CPU.