Perhaps someone ran in and yelled "STOP THE PRESSES!" and the fab got so rattled it just shut down completely. And then it would've cost a lot to start up again, so Nintendo just said "Eh, don't bother for a few months, K?"
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Quincy
This really is getting laughable now, you go from bad to worse man you really do. I can't believe even you would believe that the 80,000 number is sold to consumers. Yes the numbers are sold, they're sold to retailers (shipped).
TRSTS Japanese GameCube hardware sold to consumers for relivent quarter:
April = 35,900
May = 32,500
June = 36,900
Total Japanese sales during quarter = 105,300
NPD U.S GameCube hardware sold to consumers for relivent quarter:
April = 101,000
May = 84,408
June = 124,080
Total U.S sales during quarter = 309,488
Total for Japan + U.S from April to June 2003 = 414,788
What exactly am I making up then? I suppose NPD and TRSTS are making it up too are they?
This really is getting laughable now, you go from bad to worse man you really do. I can't believe even you would believe that the 80,000 number is sold to consumers. Yes the numbers are sold, they're sold to retailers (shipped).
TRSTS Japanese GameCube hardware sold to consumers for relivent quarter:
April = 35,900
May = 32,500
June = 36,900
Total Japanese sales during quarter = 105,300
NPD U.S GameCube hardware sold to consumers for relivent quarter:
April = 101,000
May = 84,408
June = 124,080
Total U.S sales during quarter = 309,488
Total for Japan + U.S from April to June 2003 = 414,788
What exactly am I making up then? I suppose NPD and TRSTS are making it up too are they?
The question is, what number is sold to consumers then? Who knows, the total number of GC sold could "only" be 8 million. Besides, several people here (especially Ben) argued over and over again that Nintendo doesn't count a console sold until it's sold to consumer.
ben6 said:
do you think production won't restart at all ?
i don't know the size of the retailers stock..
i don't know the size of nintendo stock...
maybe there is enough stock between the retailers and nintendo for the next chrismas season..
yes it would mean nothing much positive regarding nintendo ability to sell the GC
Teasy said:Quincy
This really is getting laughable now, you go from bad to worse man you really do. I can't believe even you would believe that the 80,000 number is sold to consumers. Yes the numbers are sold, they're sold to retailers (shipped).
TRSTS Japanese GameCube hardware sold to consumers for relivent quarter:
April = 35,900
May = 32,500
June = 36,900
Total Japanese sales during quarter = 105,300
NPD U.S GameCube hardware sold to consumers for relivent quarter:
April = 101,000
May = 84,408
June = 124,080
Total U.S sales during quarter = 309,488
Total for Japan + U.S from April to June 2003 = 414,788
What exactly am I making up then? I suppose NPD and TRSTS are making it up too are they?
414,788? That means Gamecube is in real trouble considering that the Xbox outsold the Gamecube in the US and Japan combined in the US alone:
April 126,590
May 123,614
June 166,879
126,590 + 123,614 + 166,879 = 417,083
eh? It wasn't my intention to say never restart production or even imply that.
I felt the same way when Microsoft announced that they were stopping XBOx production earlier in the year. The difference is timing.After the holiday season, where sold items are typically in a slowdown, is totally different than stopping the quarter before holiday shopping season where last minute production would be done.
It probably took a lot of thinking on Nintendo's part to stop production. Wouldn't surprise me if they did low-rate production in the months before they stopped totally (which may indicate why Nintendo is saying 80,000, meaning GC was in low-rate production for the same reason it's stopped at the moment. )
I felt the same way when Microsoft announced that they were stopping XBOx production earlier in the year. The difference is timing.After the holiday season, where sold items are typically in a slowdown, is totally different than stopping the quarter before holiday shopping season where last minute production would be done.
It probably took a lot of thinking on Nintendo's part to stop production. Wouldn't surprise me if they did low-rate production in the months before they stopped totally (which may indicate why Nintendo is saying 80,000, meaning GC was in low-rate production for the same reason it's stopped at the moment. )
Teasy,
You are honestly getting more fanish by the minute. These are the things that's you've argued so far...
1. The numbers printed by the media weren't correct.
2. The number in the Nintendo document were not correct
You keep trying to prove things without a shred of evidence to back it up, and you say that I'm the one being laughable? that I'm going from bad to worse? Lol, that's rich.
Who said that "I" beleive the number is sold to "consumers"? Have you actually seen me say that? You can talk about "shipped" all you want. As far as Nintendo is concerened, They sold 80,000 untis to retailers! Which is why they are reporting it on a financial report. All I was doing was stating what's written in the bloody document, despite the fact you've argued so many times in teh past that nintendo only reports numbers sold to consumers (which I said back then is NOT possible.)
So retailers have sold a number of units that didn't move in the previous quarter, explain how this makes nintendo's situation any different then before? This doesn't change the fact only 80,000 NEW consoles were sold to retailers? Does this change the fact that Nintendo has a surplus of unsold units? Does this change the fact that nintendo has stopped production? No...
So what is the purpose of your last post and what do the numbers in it prove? Does it prove what I just mentioned didn't happen?
Numbers like this for starters... No idea where you pulled 750,000 sold to consumers from. You basically proved your assumption wrong in your next post!
Teasy wrote: "I do too actually (80,000 shipped 750,000 sold IMO"
Next thing you're going to say is that Nintendo had another 340,000 sales in Europe.
You are honestly getting more fanish by the minute. These are the things that's you've argued so far...
1. The numbers printed by the media weren't correct.
2. The number in the Nintendo document were not correct
You keep trying to prove things without a shred of evidence to back it up, and you say that I'm the one being laughable? that I'm going from bad to worse? Lol, that's rich.
Who said that "I" beleive the number is sold to "consumers"? Have you actually seen me say that? You can talk about "shipped" all you want. As far as Nintendo is concerened, They sold 80,000 untis to retailers! Which is why they are reporting it on a financial report. All I was doing was stating what's written in the bloody document, despite the fact you've argued so many times in teh past that nintendo only reports numbers sold to consumers (which I said back then is NOT possible.)
So retailers have sold a number of units that didn't move in the previous quarter, explain how this makes nintendo's situation any different then before? This doesn't change the fact only 80,000 NEW consoles were sold to retailers? Does this change the fact that Nintendo has a surplus of unsold units? Does this change the fact that nintendo has stopped production? No...
So what is the purpose of your last post and what do the numbers in it prove? Does it prove what I just mentioned didn't happen?
Numbers like this for starters... No idea where you pulled 750,000 sold to consumers from. You basically proved your assumption wrong in your next post!
Teasy wrote: "I do too actually (80,000 shipped 750,000 sold IMO"
Next thing you're going to say is that Nintendo had another 340,000 sales in Europe.
thundermonkey
Newcomer
I don't see why this is considered a bad thing.
MS had to do the same thing a few months ago. Neither of them are doing well. So why are you all bitching about who's in 2nd?
Both are getting a prison style pounding.
MS had to do the same thing a few months ago. Neither of them are doing well. So why are you all bitching about who's in 2nd?
Both are getting a prison style pounding.
Quincy
Lets just retrace our steps in this thread shall we. Geeforcer brought up the idea that maybe Nintendo's numbers were wrong since there seemed to be a $90,000,000 disparity there. You called that foolish. I said that you should not just dismiss this disparity completely despite the fact that I agreed with you on the 80,000 number being correct. Then you attacked me saying that I'm making things up for saying that the 80,000 number was shipped. You also said that the numbers are not shipped but sold instead. Now your saying that you actually meant sold to retailers.. well what exactly do you think I meant by shipped then? Sold to retailers is shipped! This is what you said:
"The number is SOLD not shipped."
So please explain what you meant when you said that the numbers were not shipped but sold.
Ok then, quote me saying that.. you can't because I haven't said any such thing, infact I've said the opposite.
That was a rought estimate derived from sales I'd seen and the 800,000 sold numbers IGN gave out. I then went out and found the exact numbers when you claimed that the 80,000 number was not shipped but was infact sold. The final number sold to consumers is likely around 650,000-700,000 (yes that's right, another rough estimate) given the slightly less then accurate NPD and TRSTS numbers (only 75% of the final number) and the European numbers added as well. That comment was not what you were even arguing with so don't pretend it was. You were arguing that I was making up the fact that the 80,000 number was shipped.
Lets just retrace our steps in this thread shall we. Geeforcer brought up the idea that maybe Nintendo's numbers were wrong since there seemed to be a $90,000,000 disparity there. You called that foolish. I said that you should not just dismiss this disparity completely despite the fact that I agreed with you on the 80,000 number being correct. Then you attacked me saying that I'm making things up for saying that the 80,000 number was shipped. You also said that the numbers are not shipped but sold instead. Now your saying that you actually meant sold to retailers.. well what exactly do you think I meant by shipped then? Sold to retailers is shipped! This is what you said:
"The number is SOLD not shipped."
So please explain what you meant when you said that the numbers were not shipped but sold.
Ok then, quote me saying that.. you can't because I haven't said any such thing, infact I've said the opposite.
That was a rought estimate derived from sales I'd seen and the 800,000 sold numbers IGN gave out. I then went out and found the exact numbers when you claimed that the 80,000 number was not shipped but was infact sold. The final number sold to consumers is likely around 650,000-700,000 (yes that's right, another rough estimate) given the slightly less then accurate NPD and TRSTS numbers (only 75% of the final number) and the European numbers added as well. That comment was not what you were even arguing with so don't pretend it was. You were arguing that I was making up the fact that the 80,000 number was shipped.
As I said in my last post. read nintendo's document. They don't mention "shipped" in there anywhere, it mentions "SOLD". As far as nintendo is concerned those consoles are sold into retail, how hard is it to understand that. I explained this to a number of people in the past, nintendo doesn't have a way of tracking what's sold to the consumer independantly, they only know what's sold into the retail channel. So, you can use whatever terminology you want nintendo, but as far as nintendo and the report is concerned, it's sold. Understand?
Teasy wrote: "Unless you, or anyone else, can show a way of even coming close to whiping out this huge $90,000,000 disparity then you can't just dismiss it IMO."
Obviously if you don't trust nintendo's document, and the numbers in it, you don't trust the news site reporting those numbers. If in some way you're trying to say that nintendo's numbers aren't wrong (even inteh smallest way, with the above statement, then please explain why you think there's a disparity in the report and why that disparity can't be dismissed?
Fact: the nintendo report is correct and your statement about a disparity is wrong.
Omigod teasy, don't you understand. The number IGN reported was regarding the 80, 000 units in the nintendo report, they among others "thought "it sounded low (when it was actually correct) and added another zero. You're arguing about terminology when sold is still the correct terminlogy as the report states. That's why nintendo is STILL saying that.
Also, you still haven't answered my question about what is the point your trying to prove with the numbers you just dug up. I'll post the question again in the hope that you reply.
This doesn't change the fact only 80,000 NEW consoles were sold to retailers? Does this change the fact that Nintendo has a surplus of unsold units? Does this change the fact that nintendo has stopped production? No... So what is the purpose of your earlier post and what do the numbers in it prove? Does it prove what I just mentioned didn't happen?
I have been following Mediacreate numbers for a long time on a weekly basis, on those sales figures GC has consistantly kept about 10k GC's per week flying off the shelves, that alone makes 80,000 an impossible figure for a quarter, they outdid that in Japan alone.
for example, the week of August 4-10
Software
1. PS2 Winning Eleven 7 - Konami - 642,400 - new
2. GC Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles - Nintendo - 194,100 - new
3. PS2 Summon Night 3 - Banpresto - 156,300 - new
4. GBA Super Robot Wars D - Banpresto - 113,600 - new
5. GBA Pokemon Pinball Ruby & Sapphire - Nintendo - 38,400 - 77,800
6. GBA Duel Masters - Takara - 35,800 - new
7. PS2 Powerful Pro Baseball 10 - Konami - 31,300 - 392,700
8. PS2 Gundam Seed - Bandai - 29,400 - 165,900
9. GBA Super Mario Advance 4 - Nintendo - 28,500 - 248,000
10. GC Kirby's Airride - Nintendo - 27,700 - 208,200
Hardware
PS2 46,300 (1,825,700)
GBASP 44,500 (1,436,000)
GC 23,800 (408,500)
GBA 14,700 (985,700)
PS 800 (51,300)
XB 580 (70,500)
SC 450 (27,900)
WSC 170 (14,400)
Source: Media Create
24k in one week
for example, the week of August 4-10
Software
1. PS2 Winning Eleven 7 - Konami - 642,400 - new
2. GC Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles - Nintendo - 194,100 - new
3. PS2 Summon Night 3 - Banpresto - 156,300 - new
4. GBA Super Robot Wars D - Banpresto - 113,600 - new
5. GBA Pokemon Pinball Ruby & Sapphire - Nintendo - 38,400 - 77,800
6. GBA Duel Masters - Takara - 35,800 - new
7. PS2 Powerful Pro Baseball 10 - Konami - 31,300 - 392,700
8. PS2 Gundam Seed - Bandai - 29,400 - 165,900
9. GBA Super Mario Advance 4 - Nintendo - 28,500 - 248,000
10. GC Kirby's Airride - Nintendo - 27,700 - 208,200
Hardware
PS2 46,300 (1,825,700)
GBASP 44,500 (1,436,000)
GC 23,800 (408,500)
GBA 14,700 (985,700)
PS 800 (51,300)
XB 580 (70,500)
SC 450 (27,900)
WSC 170 (14,400)
Source: Media Create
24k in one week
Johnny Awesome
Veteran
It's pretty easy to resolve the confusion.
Mediacreate, NPD etc... track sales of Cubes from retailers to consumers.
Nintendo's financials track sales from Nintendo to retailers - which were 80,000 because retailers had plenty of stock to sell to consumers already due to piling inventories.
End of story.
Mediacreate, NPD etc... track sales of Cubes from retailers to consumers.
Nintendo's financials track sales from Nintendo to retailers - which were 80,000 because retailers had plenty of stock to sell to consumers already due to piling inventories.
End of story.
Geeforcer said:
"Or so it would be, if it wasn't for this minor detail: People here were quite vocal that Nintendo doesn't count console as sold intill it's sold to consumer."
Nintendo did not claim this was thier sales of cubes, they released a statement that they SHIPPED 80k and made X amount of profit, it was the people here who wanted to convult that into "Nintendo is Doomed, they suck and are not selling any consoles"..
So, live with the facts that it was not as it appeared, and stop trying to convult it into more Anti-Nintendo BS please.
thundermonkey
Newcomer
Do you believe everything you read in forums?
Besides this was a quarterly earnings report. It doesn't have much to do with the sales to the consumers.
Besides this was a quarterly earnings report. It doesn't have much to do with the sales to the consumers.
Quincy
What is your problem here? I mean I could sit here all day and give my opinion but it just doesn't matter to you. Because what I write isn't important, you read only what you think I should be writing. As an example, your asking me all these questions about how "this" (whatever "this" is) helps Nintendo's situation.. and I haven't even mentioned anything about Nintendo's situation. I've already told you this once, yet you persist with this fantasy that I am trying to defend Nintendo in some way. Despite the fact that all I have done is agree with you on the 80,000 number being correct. Anyway, I'm not even going to bother replying to the rest of your post if you can't even answer the following question:
You called me a lier for saying the numbers were shipped, you now say that you always thought they were shipped. In that case why did you say, as clear as day, "The number is SOLD not shipped."
What is your problem here? I mean I could sit here all day and give my opinion but it just doesn't matter to you. Because what I write isn't important, you read only what you think I should be writing. As an example, your asking me all these questions about how "this" (whatever "this" is) helps Nintendo's situation.. and I haven't even mentioned anything about Nintendo's situation. I've already told you this once, yet you persist with this fantasy that I am trying to defend Nintendo in some way. Despite the fact that all I have done is agree with you on the 80,000 number being correct. Anyway, I'm not even going to bother replying to the rest of your post if you can't even answer the following question:
You called me a lier for saying the numbers were shipped, you now say that you always thought they were shipped. In that case why did you say, as clear as day, "The number is SOLD not shipped."
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