Next Gen Panel Discussion

1) You don't need HDMI for Blu-Ray.

2) If the studios want copy protection for their own property, who are we to tell them what to do with their own property. The copy protection is a CHOICE for the content manufacturers, just as it's a choice of the consumer to support the standard or not.

3) MS support for any next generation standard is meaningless. They have no power as it is in the consumer electronics space, and they don't like it. Too bad. I guess it kinda pisses to be only a software company. Nice margins though!

4) The Nintendo controller is a gimmick to some, and an innovation to others.

5) Sony has said they are re-designing the controller, so am I missing the issue here?

6) Equal graphics? Maybe, but Sony has the franchises that everyone wants. MGS4 means game over bitches! :D 96 million PS2's sold versus MS greater graphics Xbox 22 million. Yeah, it's about the graphics.
 
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london-boy said:
yes you do. either that or DVI with HDCP which is the same thing. otherwise u dont get HD resolutons.
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That is correct the best you can do without one or the other is EDTV (480p).

Also, I see that IGN has the full uncut version, available only to insiders, that's the one I am more interested to see.
 
I think Rein could keep a more open mind about that controller. Having said that, I think the notion of this controller as the holy grail of gaming needs to be toned down a bit by the Nintendo fanbase. We need to see games, how it interacts, comfort, etc. with it prior to making bold claims. For what we have seen of it the reaction that Mark has for it is equally as valid as the completely 180 degree polar opposite uber positive reaction people like Matt have for it.
 
Metal said:
I think Rein could keep a more open mind about that controller. Having said that, I think the notion of this controller as the holy grail of gaming needs to be toned down a bit by the Nintendo fanbase. We need to see games, how it interacts, comfort, etc. with it prior to making bold claims. For what we have seen of it the reaction that Mark has for it is equally as valid as the completely 180 degree polar opposite uber positive reaction people like Matt have for it.
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Except Rein hasn't used the controller, Matt has.

That right there gives Matt (Big N ****** #1) a lot more merit for what he is actually saying over Reins comments.

It's a simple thing really, Matt's used it, Rein hasn't. Matt knows what he's talking about with the controller, Rein well, doesn't.

I really do think this controller will change a few things in gaming, whether it has any actual success is again up to the developers. But to say no one but Nintendo will come up with good uses for it? That's just ignorance on Marks part.

He is basically saying all devs are crap. They can't think for themselves, nor come up with good ideas.

I know Nintendo will be the forerunner on this controller, but to think the majority of devs won't make anything passable? That's just stupid.
 
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BlueTsunami said:
The fact that Mark actually had to switch up from "Owning a Gamecube" to "Only owning a Gamecube" you can tell that his poll came back to bite him in the ass. Gamecube IS the secondary console someone gets...I mean..its fricking $99 right now, get that Wind Waker, Mario Sunshine, Fire Emblem etc etc. Mark Rein just tried to put the Gamecube and Nintendo in a bad light when in actuality its not as bad as he tried to portray.
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I think his pt was to show that Nintendo is giving up on being #1 in the market.
 
Metal said:
I think Rein could keep a more open mind about that controller. Having said that, I think the notion of this controller as the holy grail of gaming needs to be toned down a bit by the Nintendo fanbase. We need to see games, how it interacts, comfort, etc. with it prior to making bold claims. For what we have seen of it the reaction that Mark has for it is equally as valid as the completely 180 degree polar opposite uber positive reaction people like Matt have for it.
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Developers will only develop if there is $$ to be made.. if the revolution does not sell, then 3rd party developers will skip it, like they do now with the gamecube. They are not going to waste money just to develop for a new type of controller, is a business.
 
Mefisutoferesu said:
This is ridiculous! That little hand raise excerise was nothing more than BS statisitcs.
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It was more than that, it was Mark Rein demonstrating his intellectual dishonesty.
 
Magnum PI said:
It was more than that, it was Mark Rein demonstrating his intellectual dishonesty.
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a marketing guy with intellectual dishonesty ? .This is redundancy ( yields have probably something to do with it.. ).
 
I wouldn't really take Rein's comments about the controller too seriously given that Epic has been focused on shooters for the last decade and it does not seem like they are going to stray too far away from that.
 
Jeez guys he doesnt like the controller lets get over it. Its his opinion and for whatever reason he's entitled to it. Why we need post after post to try and debunk him as soeone who can have an opinion on the revolution controller is confusing.

FWIW, didnt nintendo also proclaim themselves as the 'second console'?
 
DemoCoder said:
Marc pretty much echoed everything I had to say about the Revolution controller, although on the subject of HDMI he appears clueless (didn't even know HDCP). You cannot get HDMI/HDCP via an "adapter cable" First of all, there is the problem of going from analog to digital. Search for boxes on the net that convert component->DVI/HDMI or DVI->component. They are very complex electronics.
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It depends on what signal is availablie in the output jack. If its an analog only signal then yes what youre saying is correct. If the output jack can also put out a digital signal then an external device could probably be made to add DVI or HDMI. I agree it wouldnt be cheap though. Thinking is probably that MS did not want the electronics associated with doing this to be part of the standard BOM, rather an option for htose who wanted it since the # might be low.

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Secondly, there is the issue of HDCP. HDCP requires support in the device itself which is rendering the visuals, at the software and hardware layer.
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HDCP is not related to the rendering process at all. Its at the end of the pipe right before output to display.

DemoCoder said:
There is especially true if MS hopes that the XB360 can stream HD-DVD content from an MCE box on the network (one of their scenarios). It's not possible at HD resolutions without software and hardware in the XB360 to support it.
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The software clearly wont wont be a problem but the hardware goes back to your first point and the ongoing debate over whetehr or not the 360 will output DVD at 720p. I dont think that was ever solved. If the 360 can output a DVD at 720p (not from a technical standpoint, just a legal one) over component maybe theyll be able to do HD-DVD after all.

DemoCoder said:
I predict that real HDMI support on the XB360 will require another SKU.
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Definitely a possibility. Is there any information on the details of the 360 dispaly architecture near the output jack?
 
Rein made a good point about the JoyStick on the controller. It does look an awful lot like the crap N64 joystick, that compared to the analogue stick on PS2 or XBOX is terribly uncomfortable and overly touchy.

Once you start to think about it, what it actually is, it's not looking to great IMO. The novelty is there, might be great for casual gamers, but I really don't know how well it will work for the more avid gamer. It's extremely simplistic, and looks sorta uncomfortable.
 
mckmas8808 said:
I seriously don't know. Did they? Can you find the link?
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I believe it was at the keynote of their recent Nintendo-only event. Whats the name of that? All my googles are coming back with E3 stuff...
 
expletive said:
I believe it was at the keynote of their recent Nintendo-only event. Whats the name of that? All my googles are coming back with E3 stuff...
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Wow, if true then that is kind of disappointing.
 
Alstrong said:
I wouldn't really take Rein's comments about the controller too seriously given that Epic has been focused on shooters for the last decade and it does not seem like they are going to stray too far away from that.
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Q: How much is rein related to consoles ? What are Epic's contributions ?

A: Epic couldn't have existed at all, it wouldn't have changed much if anything at all.

And this insignificant actor pretends to give lessons to nintendo, whose contributions the the industry are major, virtually creating genres, who dominated it for years, and still an healthy big player in the field, despite fighting with overweights, one among them having infinite amounts of cash to throw at the problem..

I guess he knows better about coke than coca-cola..
 
So, what would have him say when asked his honest opinion?

"I'm not worthy of commenting on the infallible greatness that is Nintendo"?

This is the same company who created the PowerGlove, and that VR-Headset thing(can't remember what it's called) Nintendo has had some pretty bad ideas in the past.
 
scooby_dooby said:
So, what would have him say when asked his honest opinion?

"I'm not worthy of commenting on the infallible greatness that is Nintendo"?

This is the same company who created the PowerGlove, and that VR-Headset thing(can't remember what it's called) Nintendo has had some pretty bad ideas in the past.
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And including saying over and over that online gaming is something that gamers don't want. Then they turn around and fully support it. Nintendo is messed up bad at times too.
 
scooby_dooby said:
So, what would have him say when asked his honest opinion?

"I'm not worthy of commenting on the infallible greatness that is Nintendo"?

This is the same company who created the PowerGlove, and that VR-Headset thing(can't remember what it's called) Nintendo has had some pretty bad ideas in the past.
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Virtuaboy
And you forgot rob the robot, i sure know about how bad it was as i owned one..

Anyway this is anecdotical, if you look at the record in its globality it's not much.

Except for virtuaboy we are talking about optional peripherals, kind of hard to name optional peripherals that had success (eye toy ?). And was virtuaboy something else than a peripheral project ?

The revolution controller isn't an optional peripheral. It's strategic for the future of nintendo in consoles.

No one can be sure about the success of this controller (and therefore the console), but the people who are behind this are immensely more knowledgeable that Rein.

If the controllers fails, it's just that a pool talented knowledgeable people will have made a bad decision while a clueless guy just made the right bet, without any kind of proper reasoning to back it up.

The Rein is totally lacking modesty..

I find him arrogant, but it seems to be the norm in the merica business mentality. I guess than what I dislike in his attitude can please others..

Look at how microsoft pretended to redefine the console design with the first Xbox, just to apply the same logic as their competitor for the next gen. But this is MS, with such a success story, you can be arrogant ;)
 
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