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Changing the background and providing themes are not engineering issues. Design and marketing teams might have decided Brand and UI consistency had priority.

None of that, they just preparing for fullscreen background adverts so they can place them when needed without noise from userbase.
SCEE is doing similar marketing stunt with SingStar in EU which made PS3 to show fullscreen SingStar advert/launcher everytime you boot PS3 and exit game to XMB, thus replacing theme you bought with your money. They deem this strategy as total success and ignore logical arguments against it, so no themes for PS4 is just strategy to remove one logical argument against fullscreen adverts.
 
It doesn't matter if you have control or not. The next time you chuck in your disc, your game will be re-cached again. Why do you have to have "control" over what is cached or not? That's just silly.

First of all, PlayGo functionality is not mandatory function so I guess all other titles will install game data just like they do on PS3 or maybe better, you will be given choice to install game from UI before you launch game and use BD only as a key.

Problem with automatic caching is noise from BD x6 drive, drive wear and loading time, if game is completely installed before you want to play you will get best performance from beginning.
 
...Why do you care?

It doesn't matter if you have control or not. The next time you chuck in your disc, your game will be re-cached again. Why do you have to have "control" over what is cached or not? That's just silly.
KZSF boots to the game menu in 15 seconds and into the game in 30 seconds, once installed. On first run, it'll take 2:44. If you install KZSF and then a load of other games, and then want to install an eleventh that doesn't fit, something has to go. The automated cache system might remove KZSF, whereas you know you no longer have interest in playing Gooble Wars because you completed it. Via your system, KZSF gets removed without checking with you, then you go to play it next and have to wait 3 minutes (and then possibly a lesser experience as the rest copies over), meanwhile with a redundant game sitting on your HDD. I know that I'd be seriously annoyed if my phone randomly removed apps when it was getting full up, instead of asking me to make the choice of what I value most myself.

Edit: actually the 3 minute example is a best case, if you want to play the game again from the beginning. If you want to replay a game from part-way through, let's say you've completed it and now want to collect all the items on level 15, you'll have to wait until that much of the game has copied across, depending on how they are implemented in the transfer. I find it unlikely that any game will be designed to stream from an arbitrary point though, as the design consideration is enabling fast launching from download of new games. A cache system can't be trusted to know what content you are going to want to access.

Why do you want the choice of what games remain on your system to be automated instead of your responsibility? Is looking through a list of installed game and pressing an uninstall button too much time and mental energy for you? ;) (and how is 10 seconds looking through a list better than 3+ minutes reinstallation of a game you never wanted removed?)
 
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I'm still confused as hell.

1. There's no actual install process, you just play and the game installs in the background. (sounds really cool actually)
2. I have the control to specify which game I want to delete if I need to free space. The system won't just wipe the cache away as it sees fit. (hopefully, yes?)
 
I'm still confused as hell.

1. There's no actual install process, you just play and the game installs in the background. (sounds really cool actually)
2. I have the control to specify which game I want to delete if I need to free space. The system won't just wipe the cache away as it sees fit. (hopefully, yes?)

Yes and Yes.
 
Yes, that's what I assume.

By the way, this is a nice overview of 1.50 Firmware features, if it wasn't posted before:

http://blog.eu.playstation.com/2013/10/25/ps4-system-software-update-1-50-detailed/#more-153951
The system software update 1.50 is approximately 300 MB, and will include the following features:
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Some features will not be available at launch, such as “suspend/resume mode” which is a feature that keeps the PS4 system in a low power state and promptly takes users back to their game. We will provide additional information about system software update version 1.50 and features available at the PS4 system’s launch, and features that will be available after launch, in the near future.
 
Day one update can be downloaded in the background whilst you carry on playing games! That's pretty cool.

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Day one update can be downloaded in the background whilst you carry on playing games! That's pretty cool.

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That's great, I'm still hoping to see a dual-root-partition system that can also install it in the background, not just download... I know BSD supports that, so it's not a crazy idea.
The original PS3 fat was taking quite some time to install, the download was not really the problem :???:
 
That's great, I'm still hoping to see a dual-root-partition system that can also install it in the background, not just download... I know BSD supports that, so it's not a crazy idea.
The original PS3 fat was taking quite some time to install, the download was not really the problem :???:
PS3 updates were complete FW flashes. If the patches can be partial, a few moments installation won't be so bad.
 
I'm still confused as hell.

1. There's no actual install process, you just play and the game installs in the background. (sounds really cool actually)

Cool for impatient people who can't wait few minutes for full install, I don't see any other benefit ...
 
Cool for impatient people who can't wait few minutes for full install, I don't see any other benefit ...
Patience is for kids with an infinite amount of time to play.

Immediacy == Less waiting == More playing.

Mark Cerny explained this goal very clearly when he described the background install, play while downloading, and instant suspend/resume.

It's more than few minutes. Installing a 50GB bluray at 6x CAV takes 42 minutes.
 
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