The article says 4.5 GB to 5.25 GB, not that it makes a difference. Just doesn't seem the game can get 100% of the 1GB that's "flexible".
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The article says 4.5 GB to 5.25 GB, not that it makes a difference. Just doesn't seem the game can get 100% of the 1GB that's "flexible".
Too early to tell. It is unclear what the final experience is. Watching movies, running apps don't necessarily consume 2.5GB RAM.
It is also possible that the platform holder has other unannounced gaming stuff in mind.
The 5.25GB large memory mode is for debugging only.
It's 4.5GB standard, plus 1GB shared, and then 2.5 for the rest.
That would explain reserving that much RAM to OS.
It's a smart move by Sony. This gen, IMO, they got smoked by MS in terms of software and services.
As I have stated multiple times, the next gen will be wall about software and service and if Sony screw themselves now by not allocating enough resources, they will get left behind. They don't want to take make that mistake again.
The hardcore gamer is an annoying noise maker that can easily be distracted by a pretty game or two.
As I have stated multiple times, the next gen will be wall about software and service and if Sony screw themselves now by not allocating enough resources, they will get left behind. They don't want to take make that mistake again.
The hardcore gamer is an annoying noise maker that can easily be distracted by a pretty game or two.
My guess is that a lot of that 2.5 GB is going to be sitting free, like it does on your phone, tablet. It'll just be there so that developers can make apps that would use it, and so you can cover running a number of apps at the same time without being hit by memory warnings. Some of it could be game-related features, like second screen functionality and things like that. Who knows.
In any case, it's clear that they know they need to chase more than pure gamers to keep their business viable. Sucks to be a hardcore gamer, and I'll happily watch them meltdown over this one.
Perhaps its a good idea to try and identify what these apps will be and who would actually develope them... The XB1 has a unified OS with the rest of their ecosystem so I am assuming it will run or at-least be able to port apps which are developed for the smart phone and PC but who is going to develop an app for the PS4? Realistically what are the odds of being able to monetize it? Not to mention that we really don't know how hard it will be to port so how much time will be invested. Its also probably fair to consider how much of a headache would be involved with keeping it stable with all the incremental OS updates that are likely occur if the PS3 is any sort of a guide......
Maybe they'll do what Blackberry did and make their OS capable of running Android apps by porting the Android VM. Who knows. There's really no way to speculate. Best you can do is look at what's available on tablets and assume you'll see the same things.
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I had to log in to agree. I would not like for that much to be taken away but the world as is, is a totally different world from 2005/2006. We NEED these consoles to push these extra things. Phone do more than just phone-like things now. A 2013 smartphone is basically a computer that can field calls nowadays and it's been that way for some time. A console can not be seen as lesser than its electronic contemporaries. Apple and Google are competitors too. Microsoft nor Sony can afford to give ground.
Second screen is Gaikai/RemotePlay for them, which is still gaming. Companion Vita/iOS apps have been done within PS3 budget. Media apps are lightweight and can instant stream.
MS need to reserve a large chunk for 2 OSes plus apps.
Unless Sony want to deploy the entire Android environment, they don't really need 2.5GB just to run other apps. The BSD apps should be as lightweight as the Vita or PS3 "skinny" apps.
My tablet might not be representative as the only apps I use are:
browser
youtube
media player
netflix
pop email client
Again I really can't think of very many apps which I'd need/want to use from my couch, if I want to write an email I'd use my phone or laptop or it's short my tablet. Besides I would hope that the OS includes browser, media player, netflix and youtube. I honestly can't think of what other apps would be needed on a console besides perhaps a picture viewer.... Again maybe I'm not the typical profile in that regard....
Edit: now that I think about it Skype would be a good app to have
Yes, Gaikai and RemotePlay will come out of that 2.5 GB, as well as any other media server functionality. Why would you assume apps will be as lightweight as Vita apps? It is a tiny device that you carry in your pocket that has limited battery life. The PS4 sits connected to your tv, is significantly more powerful and does not have battery life to worry about. Could not be expected that developers will attempt to significantly more than they would on a handheld? Maybe you don't want it to, but like I said, five to seven years from now this thing still has to be competitive. Maybe you'll be able to get 3ds Max for the thing. Who knows.
A felony? We know Xbox One development is more complicated than 360 development simply because of memory management. The EDRAM in the 360 could only be used for certain things, so there weren't a lot of choices or management involved in exploiting the extra bandwidth. The ESRAM in the Xbox One is left to the programmer to decide how to use it, and it's up to them to design an optimal data flow. And since more than half your system bandwidth is locked up in that 32MBs devs will have to use it as much as they can.
They upgraded because developers feel that 4GB is insufficient.
Sony is unlikely to plan by second guessing MS' moves. Companies will tap on their strength instead.
Android is a possibility but it is a double-edge sword. Sony should prefer to push its own stack.
It will be interesting to see what Sony say. I believe they have scheduled a Gamescom press conference on 20th August.
RemotePlay is Gaikai. ^_^
And it's still gaming, not "other apps".
Vita and PS3 "skinny apps" are lightweight. NetFlix, Hulu Plus, Vudu, YouTube, and other media apps have been done on so many small TV devices, 'specially with h/w decoder.
Yes but we will need memory to run the game. While PS4 is streaming a game, what happens if your wife/brother/mom start another PS4 app on the big screen TV ?
What are you even arguing? I don't even disagree with you on any of this. Yes RemotePlay/Gaikai is for gaming and not "other apps" I never said they weren't? I just said they'd come out of the 2.5 GB. Yes, clients for Netflix, Hulu, Vudu, Youtube etc can have small footprint clients. I never said they couldn't.
Let's follow some very obvious logic. They reserved 2.5 GB for the "OS", which I would safely assume is a lot of free memory for running OS apps. If, say, 1.5 to 2 GB of that is free memory waiting for apps to be loaded, they are obviously expecting someone to write apps that will use large amounts of memory, anywhere up to 2 GB. They didn't reserve that much memory for little apps like Netflix. So either they reserved 2.5 GB assuming the memory footprint for a Netflix client would suddenly skyrocket to over 1GB, or they want to provide developers with the capability of making large footprint apps, if they choose. Which is the obvious answer?
Why would they? they've got smartphones and tablets for that. As for these touch devices using lots of RAM, that's only to save load times. I have a 2 GB Galaxy note 10.1 and it has lots 'running', but I only use one app at a time. It just means when I fire up Photoshop, I don't have to wait ten seconds to use it if it's still present in RAM.
Sony are gonna have to do a lot of explainin' to convince me 3+GBs reserved RAM is actually of value to me. We're going to get the same experience as a 4GB VRAM PC GPU. The game-value of PS4 has taken a serious knock with this. Of course, if that OS reservation is including lots of core functionality like data caching and IO and camera functionality and whatnot, it may be justified, as it's, say, 6 GBs total used for the game to do its thing with 4.5 GBs game data and 1.5 GBs system maintenance stuff. If they're just offering another glorified smart devices with concurrent web-browsing and Twitter feeds as you game, I have zero interest, and I expect many core gamers will feel the same.
It's interesting that a game initially sees about the same RAM as it did when PS4 had 4GB, but now with an extra 1GB of flexible memory of limited use. If this is still true it suggests that other stuff was a major factor in the decision to upgrade.
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