My thread @ Futuremark(Re =Waite for Unwinder)
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YeuEmMaiMai
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yeah not here yet either...............
tease... 
martrox said:Hmmmm......maybe some lawyer got involved...........
After the Omega threats of a lawsuit, I wouldn't doubt it > kidding or not. But then UW has said he ain't afraid of no lawyers.
He'll call 'em cheats & stand by it w/o fear of retaliation. Odd that UW has a forum @ Guru3D but I can't find any posts about this @ Guru3D. You'd think he'd use his own forum to 'spread the word', wouldn't you?
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If you read the terms and conditions in the driver downloads you'll note there is a clause stating that you won't attempt to reverse engineer them, which I believe someone said thats what they have done.
DaveBaumann said:
The idea that downloading a set of drivers constitutes a legal agreement would be indefensible in most countries. End-user agreements like that are at most useful for wiping your butt (well, you would need to print the text first). And you cannot be criminally prosecuted for something that isn't prohibited by law.
I expect that even if the testing & write up is finished there will be several days wait while they check, re-check, re-re-check & re-re-re-check everything in the article.
A little off topic but there is still no sign of the new shaders for Shadermark that were supposed to be made available on the 25th of June. Pixelat0r over at 3dvelocity told me he hasn't even gotten a reply to e-mails asking about it.
A little off topic but there is still no sign of the new shaders for Shadermark that were supposed to be made available on the 25th of June. Pixelat0r over at 3dvelocity told me he hasn't even gotten a reply to e-mails asking about it.
DaveBaumann said:
Afaik, atleast most of the countries in EU allow reverse engineering if you don't have source codes of the product and if you need to use that product in your own work, but can't because it's not working as it should.
It doesn't matter if nVidia wants to deny it.
My babelfish gave out about 2 pages down on me, I have damn near no clue what the article is about.Hanners said:
Translationish Link to Unwinder article.
Yo Unwinder!
Could you please just post up a thumbnail of what your article will say once it is translated? Just hit the high spots, please?
Could you please just post up a thumbnail of what your article will say once it is translated? Just hit the high spots, please?
StealthHawk
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Hanners said:
The article was up in Russian on June 25....that's one week ago
It's up on the English page now... and they don't say what version of the Catalyst drivers they use, making the ATI results a bit worthless really. I'd like to see a v3.4 Vs. v3.5 comparison, to see if both cheat on 2001.
The conclusion is basically:
nVidia cheat a lot
ATI don't cheat as much, but they're not innocent either
nVidia driver versions are quoted, Catalyst ones weren't that I saw. The article is really missing some older driver comparison, I mean, where did these cheats come in? The article suggests the Detonator 4x.xx drivers, but provides no earlier driver results to back this up.
Frankly, I'm disappointed. The article didn't really tell us anything we didn't already know.
The conclusion is basically:
nVidia cheat a lot
ATI don't cheat as much, but they're not innocent either
nVidia driver versions are quoted, Catalyst ones weren't that I saw. The article is really missing some older driver comparison, I mean, where did these cheats come in? The article suggests the Detonator 4x.xx drivers, but provides no earlier driver results to back this up.
Frankly, I'm disappointed. The article didn't really tell us anything we didn't already know.
chavvdarrr
Veteran
How's that you don't see Catalyst version? . He (Unwinder) used v3.4 in this article...
and no, that's NOT the article we wait for - it's just the old one from 25.06, but in english... today on ixbt.com is posted a review for Asus 5900 - without anti-cheat detection... because the review was made probably a week ago AFAIK, in 2-3 days there will be review of NV3x/R3xx WITH anti-cheat detection in various games/demos/benchs. AFAIK.
. He (Unwinder) used v3.4 in this article...and no, that's NOT the article we wait for - it's just the old one from 25.06, but in english... today on ixbt.com is posted a review for Asus 5900 - without anti-cheat detection... because the review was made probably a week ago AFAIK, in 2-3 days there will be review of NV3x/R3xx WITH anti-cheat detection in various games/demos/benchs. AFAIK.
chavvdarrr said:How's that you don't see Catalyst version?
and no, that's NOT the article we wait for - it's just the old one from 25.06, but in english... today on ixbt.com is posted a review for Asus 5900 - without anti-cheat detection... because the review was made probably a week ago AFAIK, in 2-3 days there will be review of NV3x/R3xx WITH anti-cheat detection in various games/demos/benchs. AFAIK.
That's not the impression I got from Unwinder, as I understood it this is the article.
Still, at least the script is available for download, so other people can go away and run further tests from here...
