My take on the disaster that is the GFFX. (long post)

[Fuz]

This whole thing about the NV35 coming out soon and putting Nv back in line just doesn't make sense. I am not saying they are not capable, but it just doesn't make good business sense.

Nv have spent alot of money developing the NV3x core, and they need to recoup that cost. They need to sell as many NV30's as possilbe.

There is no way they would let consumers even sniff at the idea of a NV35 coming anytime soon, else risk the Osbourne effect.

Lets say the FX hits shelves mid Feb, if so, don't don't expect NV35 any time before August 03.

 

[pikkachu]

i think nvidia should've looked into using
fanless peltier cooling for nv30,its better than
the current noisy mangled pipes and ducts

 

[antlers]

I don't think they need or expect to sell that many NV30s. They won't make back the money they spent developing it from selling NV30s; they'll make it back by selling mainstream versions.

However, some aspects of the NV30 call into question how good the mainstream versions can be.

 

[MuFu]

I don't think anybody has suggested it be on shelves before August. It certainly won't be out "tomorrow" (as Hellbinder rather sarcastically mentioned), but then again I think it's important to dispel talk of it being pushed back to the fall or even next year. That won't happen unless they sit on their arses for half the time.

You mention "good business sense", Fuz - I am not sure that figures too much in this period of "catchup" on nVidia's part. It isn't really very good business sense to make a product as acoustically intrusive as the NV30 but they used the dustbuster all the same. I doubt they'll have any problem equipping NV35 with a similar device and getting out the door ASAP if it means taking the performance crown from R350 by an undisputable margin.

They won't recoup the cost of selling NV30 by selling NV30's, that's for sure!

MuFu.

 

[Fuz]

They won't recoup the cost of selling NV30 by selling NV30's, that's for sure!

I agree, but they will need to sell as many as damn possible.

A bit OT, but I am a bit confused as to the pricing of the FX. I understand its $399 US, but thats for a Pre-order only, right?. So, does that mean when it hits the shelves, they will be higher than $399? Thats the only price I have seen being throw around the previews I have read. I am confused. :?

 

[antlers]

I agree, but they will need to sell as many as damn possible.

Not if they are selling them at a loss...

 

[MuFu]

A bit OT, but I am a bit confused as to the pricing of the FX. I understand its $399 US, but thats for a Pre-order only, right?. So, does that mean when it hits the shelves, they will be higher than $399? Thats the only price I have seen being throw around the previews I have read. I am confused. :?

Yeah, me too - something that added to my confusion was an interview on one of the big forums (will get a link if I can find it) in which nVidia say "prices starting at $399". :?

MuFu.

 

[Fuz]

antlers4, that is why I asked about the pricing. At $399, the margins must be damn low.

I am not sure if this has been posted already, with so many FX threads at the moment, its hard keeping track. Anyway, there was an update at [H] about the 2xAA screen shot thingy.

Here is the whole post, for all you lazy bastards.

Edit: Removed the quote, already posted in another thread. Sorry.

 

[RussSchultz]

antlers4, that is why I asked about the pricing. At $399, the margins must be damn low.

Really? How do you know this?

Please, give us a cost break down.

 

[Bigus Dickus]

i think nvidia should've looked into using
fanless peltier cooling for nv30,its better than
the current noisy mangled pipes and ducts

And how would you then propose to cool the hot side of the peltier, which is outputting two or three times the power that the GPU core on its own is?

 

[RussSchultz]

i think nvidia should've looked into using
fanless peltier cooling for nv30,its better than
the current noisy mangled pipes and ducts

Peltier coolers are not the be-all-end-all solution.

A peltier cooler only moves heat from one side of the peltier junction to the other (plus generates some heat of its own).

You still need to get that heat out of the case, plus the heat generated by the peltier.

 

[Gollum]

Interesting discussion. I personally don't expect to see NV35 before this september/october for aforementioned reasons. Not only is it questionable how its development has been affected by NV30's delay, but also they need to wait at least the usual 6 months between releasing the two products or risk pissing off both customers and board partners.
The same applies to the current favourite of speculation - R400. Some people here seem to be expecting it as early as july, well I don't think so! If R350 hits in late march/april as is currently expected, then you can also say goodbye to the possibility of seeing R400 before late fall...

 

[Himself]

i think nvidia should've looked into using
fanless peltier cooling for nv30,its better than
the current noisy mangled pipes and ducts

And how would you then propose to cool the hot side of the peltier, which is outputting two or three times the power that the GPU core on its own is?

Exactly, might as well bolt a soldering iron inside the case.

 

[Nebuchadnezzar]

i think nvidia should've looked into using
fanless peltier cooling for nv30,its better than
the current noisy mangled pipes and ducts

And how would you then propose to cool the hot side of the peltier, which is outputting two or three times the power that the GPU core on its own is?

Exactly, might as well bolt a soldering iron inside the case.

Why didn't they just deliver a 'Fridge'-case wth the card for the computer

 

[Basic]

Maybe I must revise my thought on when NV35 will come. Since history tells that whenever someone pulls out the "they need more time between launches, or risk pissing off both customers and board partners"-argument, it means that the product is just around the corner.

OK, seriously. I have no idea when it will be launched. But that argument never seem to be worth much. Especially not with nVidia.

 

[Tahir2]

If peltiers arent any good then LN2 cooling should have been considered.

 

[Doomtrooper]

The same applies to the current favourite of speculation - R400. Some people here seem to be expecting it as early as july, well I don't think so! If R350 hits in late march/april as is currently expected

Difference here is the R350 has been done for a while...

 

[Althornin]

If peltiers arent any good then LN2 cooling should have been considered.

Well, personally, i think the card should have just used phase change cooling.
Come with its own mini-vapochill unit.

 

[MuFu]

The same applies to the current favourite of speculation - R400. Some people here seem to be expecting it as early as july, well I don't think so! If R350 hits in late march/april as is currently expected

Difference here is the R350 has been done for a while...

It's not back from the fab yet, AFAIK, unless it only *just* came back. Still a while to go, I think - probably about the same as TTM as NV31/NV34.

MuFu.

 

[Johnny Rotten]

The same applies to the current favourite of speculation - R400. Some people here seem to be expecting it as early as july, well I don't think so! If R350 hits in late march/april as is currently expected

Difference here is the R350 has been done for a while...

I think hes talking about shelf availability time. ATI isnt going to release the 350 in March/April and then unleash the 400 in August.