Oh and here's my proof:
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,114985,00.asp
Feb 04:
Where's yours?
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,114985,00.asp
Feb 04:
Where's yours?
Multi-Laser : Supports Red And Blu-Ray Lasers
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Any "standard" approved by the DVD-Forum is a standard to the DVD-Forum and no one else, including the Blu-Ray group developing (and currently selling, as in actual products in Japan) the BR disc standard.
This is particularly true when Columbia has announced that all of its releases by 2006 (was it it 2006? I can't remember the exact year from the PR now) will be available on Blu-Ray. Of course, Columbia is a Sony entity so that's to be expected. It is a bit annoying when people talk about Blu-Ray like it's strictly a solo Sony venture, when it is not.
This is particularly true when Columbia has announced that all of its releases by 2006 (was it it 2006? I can't remember the exact year from the PR now) will be available on Blu-Ray. Of course, Columbia is a Sony entity so that's to be expected. It is a bit annoying when people talk about Blu-Ray like it's strictly a solo Sony venture, when it is not.
I thought what the DVD Forum approved was AOD with blue laser.
They provisionally approved VC9 and H.264 as codecs.
I'm pretty sure the HD DVD media will have more capacity than current DVD9, apart from the newer codecs which can do more with less data.
The thing people wonder about VC9 is whether it includes the WMV DRM and whether that DRM needs to phone home, meaning these players/recorders would need an Internet connection.
Most people assumed that both next gen DVD players would support CD and DVD discs one way or another.
Does this new assembly implies that BR discs will come out of the caddy?
Anyways, most of the hardware companies are allied around BR, not HD-DVD.
Of course the Hollywood studios hold the keys to the content but most are noncommital except Columbia-Tristar. They are going to milk DVD as long as they can.
One thing that neither camp seems to be publicizing is what resolutions their formats will support.
720? 1080i? 1080p? Not that picture quality alone will enable success of either format. It's going to come down to prices and software selection.
Does this new assembly implies that BR discs will come out of the caddy?
Anyways, most of the hardware companies are allied around BR, not HD-DVD.
Of course the Hollywood studios hold the keys to the content but most are noncommital except Columbia-Tristar. They are going to milk DVD as long as they can.
One thing that neither camp seems to be publicizing is what resolutions their formats will support.
720? 1080i? 1080p? Not that picture quality alone will enable success of either format. It's going to come down to prices and software selection.
KnightBreed
Newcomer
1080p was the goal both for AOD (now HD-DVD) and Blu-ray.wco81 said:
What is the reasoning behind the Blu-ray group's reluctance to adopt a newer compression technology like WM9 or H.264? That would make their technological lead over the AOD/HD-DVD camp all that much further.
Probably the fact that MS owns WM9.
As for H.264, I thought the licensing issues around it was also unsettled?
Also, are the hardware requirements for the new codecs greater? No doubt the silicon required for the new codecs will go down in cost over time but maybe there's a clear cost difference for the foreseeable future?
As for H.264, I thought the licensing issues around it was also unsettled?
Also, are the hardware requirements for the new codecs greater? No doubt the silicon required for the new codecs will go down in cost over time but maybe there's a clear cost difference for the foreseeable future?
According to NEC, 90% of the semiconductor logic between an MPEG4 and MPEG2 decoder is common/shared, therefore a hybrid chip will cost very little over existing MPEG2 chips. Also the DVD Forum has recently been promoting the HD-DVD spec to the Taiwanese hardware and media manufacturers.
The spec is based on blue laser, but it also has provisions for an intermediate red laser format too. Yes the blue laser version of HD-DVD-ROM will have a dual layer single sided capacity of 30GB. The HD-DVD-RW version will have 20GB single layer? per side. The HD-DVD-R version is currently being worked on.
wco81 said:
The spec is based on blue laser, but it also has provisions for an intermediate red laser format too. Yes the blue laser version of HD-DVD-ROM will have a dual layer single sided capacity of 30GB. The HD-DVD-RW version will have 20GB single layer? per side. The HD-DVD-R version is currently being worked on.
as my take, I am willing to support more BluRay than HD-DVD because of it's bigger capasity and smaller wavelnght laser.
Still, it looks like that this is going to be something like Beta vs. VHS was in early 80's. (yeah yeah, I remember Video2000, but most ppl don't. That's why I didn't mentioned it.)
interesting fact is, if HD-DVD wil evenetually continue being closed standard, like DVD was. (using DVD logos means money for DVD consortium, very hard and slow able to get extension to standard.) BluRay is already stated to be open standard, Like CD was. (minimal or none lisence fees on using logos, pretty cheap to make extensions.)
CD standard did get pretty many extensions since the original launch. (VCD, Kodak Photo CD, SVCD, CD-I...) DVD hasn't got many and those few ones (DVD-Audio, SuperAudio-CD) haven't got much wind under their wings.
Still, it looks like that this is going to be something like Beta vs. VHS was in early 80's. (yeah yeah, I remember Video2000, but most ppl don't.
That's why I didn't mentioned it.)interesting fact is, if HD-DVD wil evenetually continue being closed standard, like DVD was. (using DVD logos means money for DVD consortium, very hard and slow able to get extension to standard.) BluRay is already stated to be open standard, Like CD was. (minimal or none lisence fees on using logos, pretty cheap to make extensions.)
CD standard did get pretty many extensions since the original launch. (VCD, Kodak Photo CD, SVCD, CD-I...) DVD hasn't got many and those few ones (DVD-Audio, SuperAudio-CD) haven't got much wind under their wings.
Why are you guys arguing over this anyway? It's a total non-issue, like wether we should have marmelade or pb on our sandwiches. Just pick the one that suits your needs/wallet when either flavor is available to buy... JESUS.
As if there wasn't enough bickering here already.
As if there wasn't enough bickering here already.
Butter and marmelade all the way, peanut butter fanbois have to DIE!!!!!!
ChryZ said:P&J ... there is nothing betterlondon-boy said:
DIE!!
The reason you don't want two formats is that it'll make stocking titles in both formats harder for distributors, retailers and studios. So the catalog for either could be hampered. Remember DiVX? Didn't Disney back it before it finally came on board DVD? Last thing we want is for different studios to support different formats.
Even if there was one next-gen DVD format, it's going to have a difficult time finding enough shelf space versus DVD. There is no guarantee that BD or HD DVD will take off nearly as quickly as DVD has, if ever. So that affects selection of software for those of us who plan to adopt one of these formats.
Even if there was one next-gen DVD format, it's going to have a difficult time finding enough shelf space versus DVD. There is no guarantee that BD or HD DVD will take off nearly as quickly as DVD has, if ever. So that affects selection of software for those of us who plan to adopt one of these formats.
zidane1strife
Banned
Let's not forget the blu-ray disc will have the 100xdvd scratch resistance coating tech from tdk... What coating's protecting the HD-DVDs from scratches
I may be wrong but I believe one of the primary reasons is because there's so much more expertise around mastering prerecorded content in MPEG2 currently and all broadcast standards for HD/digital material will be using MPEG2 for the forseeable future. BR has been built with recordability in mind from the start.
zidane1strife said:
Let's not forget the blu-ray disc will have the 100xdvd scratch resistance coating tech from tdk... What coating's protecting the HD-DVDs from scratches
That's the goal but it still hasn't been decided yet. Regardless BR needs either a caddy or the hard coating because it uses a thin cover layer. HD-DVD OTOH uses the same cover layer thickness as current DVDs so it's exactly the same no need for caddies or hard coatings.
Panajev2001a
Veteran
PC-Engine said:zidane1strife said:
Let's not forget the blu-ray disc will have the 100xdvd scratch resistance coating tech from tdk... What coating's protecting the HD-DVDs from scratches
That's the goal but it still hasn't been decided yet. Regardless BR needs either a caddy or the hard coating because it uses a thin cover layer. HD-DVD OTOH uses the same cover layer thickness as current DVDs so it's exactly the same no need for caddies or hard coatings.
Ok, so the fact that pit density is much higher in HD-DVD/AOD compared to DVD does not make you think that maybe they need something better than what DVD uses to protect data from scratches ?