Multi-Laser : Supports Red And Blu-Ray Lasers

[London Geezer]

You're not getting the point and no it's not the same thing. Unless you can get a BR recorder soon for $400.

A format becomes popular because of movies. Also will PS3 be able to record?

Can you get a HDDVD recordes soon for $400?
Of course a format becomes popular because of movies. This is also valid for HDDVD. Will XB2 be able to record? :|

 

[PC-Engine]

You're not getting the point and no it's not the same thing. Unless you can get a BR recorder soon for $400.

A format becomes popular because of movies. Also will PS3 be able to record?

Can you get a HDDVD recordes soon for $400?
Of course a format becomes popular because of movies. This is also valid for HDDVD. Will XB2 be able to record? :|

Arguing with you is like arguing with a wall. Did I say Xenon will have HD-DVD? Did I say HD-DVD will be the dominant format if it's used in Xenon? You'd better go back and reread my and others' posts as I wasn't the one who said BR will be the dominant format just because of PS3. This isn't the days of PS2 where is was DVD vs VHS

Regarding DL DVD recorders using an MPEG2/VC9/MPEG4 hybrid encoder chip, all I'm gonna say is it can be done VERY soon like THIS YEAR and CHEAP.

 

[London Geezer]

Arguing with you is like arguing with a wall.

Yeah, we're like 2 walls of the same room. One north one south.

Did I say Xenon will have HD-DVD?

Did i say PS3 WILL have BR? Nope, i said, very likely.

Did I say HD-DVD will be the dominant format if it's used in Xenon?

Did i say BR WILL be the dominant format is used in PS3? Nope i said, very likely.

You'd better go back reread my and others' posts.

You too.

 

[PC-Engine]

Arguing with you is like arguing with a wall.

Yeah, we're like 2 walls of the same room. One north one south.

Did I say Xenon will have HD-DVD?

Did i say PS3 WILL have BR? Nope, i said, very likely.

Did I say HD-DVD will be the dominant format if it's used in Xenon?

Did i say BR WILL be the dominant format is used in PS3? Nope i said, very likely.

You'd better go back reread my and others' posts.

You too.

Squeak wrote:

If Sony puts Bluray in PS3, then that's it!. The DVD forum can enter all the affiliations they want, and have all the hardware manufactures on their side. If Sony puts a Bluray drive in PS3, it will be the dominant new format.

PC-Engine wrote:

I doubt BR will become the dominant format just because it's in PS3. After all PS3 will launch later than Xenon.

Also the red laser version of HD-DVD can be implemented in existing DVD players/recorders with a simple chip. Not only that, dual layer burners/recorders will hit the market very soon and cheap too. Imagine being able to record on a dual layer DVD using VC9 level encoding.

I'm sorry but there is only one wall I'm the one arguing with it.

 

[London Geezer]

Yes, Squeak wrote. Not LB wrote.

 

[PC-Engine]

Yes, Squeak wrote. Not LB wrote.

Exactly

 

[Deepak]

But it will be big boost for BR if SONY puts it in PS3. And there is ~ 99.99% chance that it will be there. Considering PS3 is still ~ 2 yrs away, BR price will come down and they could also improve their BR technology.

 

[PC-Engine]

But it will be big boost for BR if SONY puts it in PS3. And there is ~ 99.99% chance that it will be there. Considering PS3 is still ~ 2 yrs away, BR price will come down and they could also improve their BR technology.

It would be a good move for SONY in pushing the format onto the market obviously however with regards to the format becoming dominant is a whole other ballgame. Using MS for saving is a no brainer for PS3 too and will obviously put that format. Then again SD memory cards or the tiny MiniSD cards in N5 will push that format too.

 

[Deepak]

It would be a good move for SONY in pushing the format onto the market obviously however with regards to the format becoming dominant is a whole other ballgame.

But it will be a BIG step towards that goal.

 

[London Geezer]

But it will be big boost for BR if SONY puts it in PS3. And there is ~ 99.99% chance that it will be there. Considering PS3 is still ~ 2 yrs away, BR price will come down and they could also improve their BR technology.

It would be a good move for SONY in pushing the format onto the market obviously however with regards to the format becoming dominant is a whole other ballgame. Using MS for saving is a no brainer for PS3 too and will obviously put that format. Then again SD memory cards or the tiny MiniSD cards in N5 will push that format too.

Why would Nintendo want to "push a format"? They have no interest whatsoever in pushing a format. Sony on the other hand are always happy to (confuse customers) fill the market with formats they hope they'll make money out of.
Same for Microsoft. The only thing they might want to push is their software.

Also, i wouldn't be too surprised if PS3 does not use MS as detachable storage format. Although, it's on PSP so maybe they will get this right this time around... :|

For all we know, there could be a recordable track on the BR games where one would be able to save their games. Won't happen, but it could be done if they wanted to.

 

[Spidermate]

Here's an interesting read I found that might get some of you alls attention:

In an press release today, Sony Corporation announced that they have developed a single 3-wavelength recording/playback optical head, capable of recording and playing-back 3 formats; Blu-ray Disc (BD), DVD, and CD.

This newly developed 3-wavelength recording and playback optical head is achieved by precisely processing the semiconductor laser chip of each wavelength, BD (wavelength:405nm), DVD (660m,) and CD (785nm), in a single unit, 3 types of lasers are emitted from 1 package.

In the single unit 3 wavelength laser, by combining production techniques of high-level output blue-violet laser diode and processing precise alignment of multiple laser units, single packaging is realized. In the object lens, introduction of aspherical glass and hologram lens to achieve spherical aberration correction, corresponding to each wavelength enables one series of optical system to deal with 3 wavelengths.

Sony intends to commercialize this new technology within the next two (2) years, and will promote further technology development. This will contribute to the BD market expansion by realizing BD related key devices to be utilized in various AV and IT products.

The interesting aspect of the announcement, beyond of course, the technical achievement, is that this release mirrors a very similar announcement made just before the launch of the PS2 regarding similar technology. Roughly a year (1) before the release of the PS2, Sony announced that they had developed a new laser head that would play back both DVD and CD laser wavelength, a few months before the PS2 launch it was announced that this technology would be implemented into the PS2. It is very likely that Sony will follow the same pattern and reap the benefits of releasing this new laser head integrated into the PS3.

This bodes well for the PS3 and the viability of its inclusion in the PS3 and further confirms the possibility of backwards compatibility with the PS2. This technology would allow Sony to include the playback of existing PS2 game with very low associated cost. Look for more announcements regarding technology which will comprise the architecture of the PS3 in the coming months.

 

[London Geezer]

If backward compatibility was ever in doubt, the last thing that made it so was "how do we read PS2 discs"...

 

[Farid]

Why would Nintendo want to "push a format"? They have no interest whatsoever in pushing a format. Sony on the other hand are always happy to (confuse customers) fill the market with formats they hope they'll make money out of.
Same for Microsoft. The only thing they might want to push is their software.

They(Nintendo) may have some sort of interest, their close relations with Matsushita could make them push a format instead of another.
BTW Nintendo wanted to push the 8cm disc in the interactive entertainment... 8cm BR? (j/k)

Link

IGNcube: Nintendo's general manager Genyo Takeda, in his Space World speech, commented that the 8cm discs would be the future of interactive entertainment. Seeing as how they're so small, is there any chance that we'll see them in a future handheld from Nintendo?

Jim: He kind of alluded to that, didn't he?

Perrin: We know someone was going to ask that question.

Jim: I think that's one of those "please stay tuned" type questions. But yes, Nintendo doesn't want to invest in a media format for the short term.

For all we know, there could be a recordable track on the BR games where one would be able to save their games. Won't happen, but it could be done if they wanted to.

And pass over the money makin' "Memory Card land"?
But yes in theory, they can do that... In practice, we'll have to pay 40€ for a Memory card like we do today.

 

[Spidermate]

You're not getting the point and no it's not the same thing. Unless you can get a BR recorder soon for $400.

A format becomes popular because of movies. Also will PS3 be able to record?

I don't mean to barge in so sudden on you alls private debate,but if the Blue Ray laser is implemented into the PS3,that alone would already be at the price range you are suggesting.Therefore,this can also be how Sony plans on attracting people to this product.Think of it as a high definition TV.Not everyone has one,and the UK doesn't even know what it is,but this still doesn't stop this product from attracting others -- not even in the smallest sense.

And I totally agree with you about this kind of format only becoming famous by movies.But,if you stop and think about that for a second,isn't Sony their own movie studio?I know this isn't much right now,but not too long ago,Sony made a bid to MGM studios (one of,if not,the biggest movie studios in the world) for 5 billion dollars,which they are still looking to make a deal as we speak.Sony owning MGM,Columbia,and Tri Star could do some major damage to the DVD market.None of this includes what others have said about this new technology going into computers.Now,I'm not saying this is going to happen,but if it does,it is concievable that it could lead to its fame that you speak of.

EDIT:Oh,and I doubt Sony would make it where you can burn games.That would give you the opportunity to get out of buying them if that was the case.KaZaa anyone?

 

[London Geezer]

And pass over the money makin' "Memory Card land"?
But yes in theory, they can do that... In practice, we'll have to pay 40€ for a Memory card like we do today.

Oh i know. And a new, improved, proprietary form of Memory Card.

 

[cthellis42]

On the cost side, I certainly imagine this head is cheaper overall than having to have MULTIPLE laser heads in the same package--as well as reducing the chances for mechanical error.

How it compares to HD-DVD? Who in heck knows? How will the possibility of Blu-Ray's paper disks compare? How will the codecs sompare? How will all the advancements we'll be seeing in the next few years compare?

'sall up in the air until everything starts coming to market, and at that point the cost of the units and the ways in which they are picked up will matter a lot as to which get embraced and how, too.

For the nonce, though, we knew this step was coming. I'm more curious to see what other unexpected ones the future holds.

 

[jvd]

Porn , lots and lots of porn. I have over a tera byte of porn on cds and dvdrs .

A terabyte?! Jesus and i thought Natoma had a lot............... How did u get that much porn? how can u not get tired of it? i mean that's WEEKS worth of porn. weeks of non-stop-24-hours-a-day porn. that's way over what i can handle.

Think 15 guy friends. All strait. IN college with the college providing the bandwitdh. 4 years of school. Then a year so far of living at home with broadband . Plus cd and dvd driver burners. Equals lots of porno

 

[Natoma]

Porn , lots and lots of porn. I have over a tera byte of porn on cds and dvdrs .

A terabyte?! Jesus and i thought Natoma had a lot............... How did u get that much porn? how can u not get tired of it? i mean that's WEEKS worth of porn. weeks of non-stop-24-hours-a-day porn. that's way over what i can handle.

Think 15 guy friends. All strait. IN college with the college providing the bandwitdh. 4 years of school. Then a year so far of living at home with broadband . Plus cd and dvd driver burners. Equals lots of porno

I delete the bad shit.

 

[jvd]

I don't think sony is going to use dvd or blueray in the ps3 . But thats just me

 

[David_South#1]

Here's something interesting that J Allard (VP of Microsoft) said about Xbox and DVD.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?section_name=pub&aid=3489

Some more information on Blu-ray.
http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/

In Widescreen Review (the best HDTV mag around) I read an announcement from Benjamin Feingold, president of Sony's Columbia TriStar Home Entertainment where he stated that in late 2005 early 2006 there would over 25 million HDTV devices and Sony at that time would be introducing player support to match such a market.
http://www.widescreenreview.com/attractions/iiv.html

A few months later he added to this by saying, "And the reality that next-generation game consoles -- such as Sony's PlayStation 3, among others -- will be used more and more to play back hi-def movies, creates the possibility for a very rapid expansion of the new installed base that would benefit every Hollywood studio." http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/interviews/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=2072110

Combine this with the fact that Ken Kutaragi has been put in charge of Sony's Blu-ray plans and it is as someone else said, 99.99% that Blu-ray will by used for PS3.