MS: 1.5 million 360s sold as of Dec 31st 2005

[tcrews]

How much does the 360 cost- originally I read it sold for 700 bucks but I heard sources that it was selling for 300 now. What is the price?

$299 and $399 (core and premium).

Anything higher is people buying them (at those prices) and then trying to sell them on ebay or some other online auction.

Tom Crews

 

[mckmas8808]

This could be good but it all depends on the hardware.

To me they've got to exceed PSP in every spec..then they would succeed. But I dont know how you could do that with a Hard Drive standard without costing too much, so, much remains to be seen...

Xbox specs -> PS2 specs

Succeed? What is this level of success based off of?

 

[DuckThor Evil]

Not soon enough apparently.

Hurray for not living in the same "world" that the "worldwide" launch happened in.

I'm sorry for the following, but Man I'm glad to be on this side of the fence for once, we have had our share of the shaft in the past.

 

[Nite_Hawk]

Exactly. C'mon people, there's no effort to spin here on MS' part. Whether or not systems are sitting on shelves in Japan, Microsoft generated revenue from those systems.

On the other hand, in the coming months that will mean they will ship many less consoles to those regions. On the third hand, that means those shipments will go to NA/Europe which is good.

Ultimately, we want both the shipped and sold-to-consumers numbers so that we can start trying to make predictions about how many units will ship to different regions and how quickly they are likely to sell in those areas.

Nite_Hawk

 

[nelg]

Apparently they've also dropped hints of a portable digital media / gaming device as well:

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jan2006/tc20060126_148049.htm?campaign_id=rss_tech

AJ... where are you?

 

[expletive]

Yep I can't believe MS is talking about a handheld already. Slow down control the console market first.

Seeing as theyve moved ahead of Nintendo (you know, the ones who make the game boy) in the console arena, surely they 'qualify' to put out a portable no?

 

[Slay]

They're lying, they claim 900.000 units in North America, NPD says 607.343, they claim 100.000 for Japan, Media Create says 75.444, obviously if they're lying for two regions, they're lying about Europe too, but unfortunaly there are no hard facts for europe.

 

[Platon]

They're lying, they claim 900.000 units in North America, NPD says 607.343, they claim 100.000 for Japan, Media Create says 75.444, obviously if they're lying for two regions, they're lying about Europe too, but unfortunaly there are no hard facts for europe.

But isn't it so that atleast for NPD that they don't have numbers for all the retailers?...

 

[Shifty Geezer]

They're lying, they claim 900.000 units in North America, NPD says 607.343, they claim 100.000 for Japan, Media Create says 75.444, obviously if they're lying for two regions, they're lying about Europe too, but unfortunaly there are no hard facts for europe.

I think these 'sold' numbers are sold to retail outlets (shipped numbers). Hence they've produces 1.5 million out there in stores, and they're not lying. Just using a terminology okay for financial boardroom discussion which the general public misunderstands.

 

[scooby_dooby]

If they are shipped numbers then why are they not reporting 150k for japan?

 

[Synergy34]

I think these 'sold' numbers are sold to retail outlets (shipped numbers). Hence they've produces 1.5 million out there in stores, and they're not lying. Just using a terminology okay for financial boardroom discussion which the general public misunderstands.

I honestly don't think they are shipped figures. If these are numbers sold to retailers then that means the 600KMedia Create number is consumers, so that means 1/3 of 360's didn't sell. Then why would it be hard to find? Something is not being reported correctly.

What are the dates Media Create has for it's numbers? I don't really see any reason not to think these aren't consumer numbers.

 

[Slay]

But isn't it so that atleast for NPD that they don't have numbers for all the retailers?...

NPD doesn't get data from some retailers, but they include them in the statistic analysis, so their numbers are subject to the statistical error of 2-3% .
And MS could claim that those are shiped numbers, but they can't due to the sortage, so they're just lying.

 

[expletive]

NPD doesn't get data from some retailers, but they include them in the statistic analysis, so their numbers are subject to the statistical error of 2-3% .
And MS could claim that those are shiped numbers, but they can't due to the sortage, so they're just lying.

I dont see what MS has to gain by lying. When they miss their 2.5 million and/or 5.5 million milestones in Feb/June all will come to bear anyway so what would be the point?

 

[Slay]

I dont see what MS has to gain by lying. When they miss their 2.5 million and/or 5.5 million milestones in Feb/June all will come to bear anyway so what would be the point?

Why Sony always uses shiped numbers? what's the point?
They simply want the public to think that their console is more succesfull, that's the point.

 

[Sethamin]

NPD doesn't get data from some retailers, but they include them in the statistic analysis, so their numbers are subject to the statistical error of 2-3% .
And MS could claim that those are shiped numbers, but they can't due to the sortage, so they're just lying.

Lying in their financial disclosures is a very serious SEC violation. I highly doubt that's the case. I think it's about as likely as Sony lying about their last quarter financials - which is to say, not likely at all.

 

[StefanS]

If they are shipped numbers then why are they not reporting 150k for japan?

Did we have an official Japan lauch allocation figure? I thought 150k were Asia as a whole.

 

[heliosphere]

NPD doesn't get data from some retailers, but they include them in the statistic analysis, so their numbers are subject to the statistical error of 2-3% .
And MS could claim that those are shiped numbers, but they can't due to the sortage, so they're just lying.

Who's more likely to know accurately how many consoles MS have shipped? MS, who actually made them and shipped them, or NPD, who have to rely on information collected from thousands of retailers together with statistical extrapolation for retailers they don't include?

 

[Shifty Geezer]

Why Sony always uses shiped numbers? what's the point?
They simply want the public to think that their console is more succesfull, that's the point.

Because there's no way of knowing how many consoles have been sold to final consumers without monitoring of the retail sector which is out of Sony's hands, whereas they know just how many units they sold to retail chains (shipped figures). Shipped figures aren't likely to be far off sold units. No retail chain is going to buy more units if they haven't sold the stock they already have. The only excess, the unsold units from those shipped figures, will be the units sitting on shelves waiting to be bought. Worldwide that could well be a million or two, but you can trust they're selling through at sufficient rate to pretty much gaurentee that stock will be sold. As such, 15 million units (arbitary figure) shipped can be trusted to mean 15 million units eventually sold in a month or three in the case of a popular product.

 

[koldfuzion]

agreed sethamin

highly unlikely to lie or even misstate in a public press release, you can pretty much bank on those number being correct, they are heavily vetted before they are put out.

P.S. I'm a securities lawyer.

 

[Slay]

Who's more likely to know accurately how many consoles MS have shipped? MS, who actually made them and shipped them, or NPD, who have to rely on information collected from thousands of retailers together with statistical extrapolation for retailers they don't include?

First of all MS didn't say shiped they said sold, we know there is a huge shortage in the US, many customers still waiting for their pre-order, NPD tracks sales and i find very very very unlikely that they got off 300.000 units in their numbers, if those remaing consoles was in fact shiped but not sold , then why there is still such a huge shortage?
The only logical explanation i can think of (if the lying isn't true) is that the remaining consoles are replacement consoles for broken ones, they never got into the retailer channel so NPD don't have any track of them, but i find that number quite high for replacements, i still think that the "lying" explanation is more reasonable.