More rumors on NV28/NV30
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Randell said:Kyle,
having received the bile of the FanATItic following quake/quack how do you feel in your new role as ATI head cheerleader
the 'guys' over at rage3d see you in a whole new light following your enthusiastic response to the R300
Hehe, we cheer for what we like and I will have to say that what we like is usually the best overall card for the gamer. Of course you can further break that into market segments as well.
I am very happy for ATi at the moment and I am really looking forward to the R300 cards getting to the gamers out there as it truly has raised the bar a level.
The brand name on the card means little to me. We were called 3dfx whores when they were on top, we were called NVIDIA whores when they were on top, and I am SURE we will be called ATi whores by some now as well.
We have always cheered for what is best and every since a few months ago when ATi finally delivered solid performance drivers for the 8500 we have been suggesting it to our readers for purchase.
We cheer for the best. I really don't care who's logo is on the box.
Kyle said :
WRT the point you made : I suppose the only way to be sure is to jump down to all the IHVs' offices and see for yourself then? I mean, why believe what anyone at ATI or NVIDIA or investor conf. calls say? I mean, it don't matter that the CEO of NVIDIA may be held liable and be sued if what he said isn't correct when what he said is that important, right? I mean that kind of false information isn't important and can't be sued on, right? I mean, that kind of "tape out" official comment by the CEO of NVIDIA can't help with NVDA stocks, right? Gimme a break... Jenson is a business man with NVIDIA guys telling him what he can and can't say in public... you a businessman, Kyle?
Just bringing up a point here, Kyle.[/quote]
Oh, c'mon Kyle... stop with this serious tone! HardOCP is a successful site but if I ran it and I have a chance to make a ton of money which helps my family then I'd do what you describe, make an announcement on the site and let folks handle it. It's what you write that maters and how folks make opinions about you.
WRT the point you made : I suppose the only way to be sure is to jump down to all the IHVs' offices and see for yourself then? I mean, why believe what anyone at ATI or NVIDIA or investor conf. calls say? I mean, it don't matter that the CEO of NVIDIA may be held liable and be sued if what he said isn't correct when what he said is that important, right? I mean that kind of false information isn't important and can't be sued on, right? I mean, that kind of "tape out" official comment by the CEO of NVIDIA can't help with NVDA stocks, right? Gimme a break... Jenson is a business man with NVIDIA guys telling him what he can and can't say in public... you a businessman, Kyle?
Just bringing up a point here, Kyle.
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I thought that Nvidia said they were expecting it to tape out this month. I think everyone toook that as gospel and believe it to already happen. I personally think it has but have read nothing OFFICIALLY stating that.
Alas, we will never know the real truth but you can bet Nvidia is doing everything they can to make it so!
Alas, we will never know the real truth but you can bet Nvidia is doing everything they can to make it so!
from a practical standpoint, either NV30 is already taped out or Nvidia won't make their stated fall schedule. they have stated many times that NV30 is a fall product on the record, irregardless of what you think they might say or not say at a investor conference, therefore, it must have taped out , or we won't see it this year.
Joe DeFuria
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I'd tend to agree with Ben6.
However, on a related note, assuming NV30 is in fact "taped out", that does not guarantee that the product ships this fall as nVidia's CEO continues to assert.
Simply put, if the shipping of the product is estimated to be about 3 months away, there are too many things that can go wrong between now and then that could delay the launch into next year. Ceratinly, shipping this "fall" is nVidia's best guess, and they likely have a high degree of confidence that it will happen.....but we've all seen those "last few months" not go as planned from a variety of vnedors....
However, on a related note, assuming NV30 is in fact "taped out", that does not guarantee that the product ships this fall as nVidia's CEO continues to assert.
Simply put, if the shipping of the product is estimated to be about 3 months away, there are too many things that can go wrong between now and then that could delay the launch into next year. Ceratinly, shipping this "fall" is nVidia's best guess, and they likely have a high degree of confidence that it will happen.....but we've all seen those "last few months" not go as planned from a variety of vnedors....
Along those lines, there's a not a "guarantee" that the R300 or RV250 will ship on time either.
Working parts and production worthy parts are two different things.
I've personally experienced projects that could successfully build engineering samples that ran correctly at speed, but there were other yield issues that prevented production for months as the fingerpointing ensued.
This obviously applies to all semiconductor companies equally, and I'm not suggesting that ATI would have this issue and NVIDIA wouldn't.
On both sides, don't count your chickens before they're hatched.
Working parts and production worthy parts are two different things.
I've personally experienced projects that could successfully build engineering samples that ran correctly at speed, but there were other yield issues that prevented production for months as the fingerpointing ensued.
This obviously applies to all semiconductor companies equally, and I'm not suggesting that ATI would have this issue and NVIDIA wouldn't.
On both sides, don't count your chickens before they're hatched.
Joe DeFuria
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Actually, the RV250 is shipping NOW, so you are wrong there.
While there are of course no guarantees (earthquakes or other disasters at the manufacturing plant, etc.) there's a big difference between the position that ATI is in right now with the R-300, and the assumed "3 months away" nVidia is with NV30.
In short, there is a much lower probability of something significant going wrong with R-300, compared to NV-30. Small delays wouldn't be surprising, but something that would push shipment off more than a couple weeks would be.
While there are of course no guarantees (earthquakes or other disasters at the manufacturing plant, etc.) there's a big difference between the position that ATI is in right now with the R-300, and the assumed "3 months away" nVidia is with NV30.
In short, there is a much lower probability of something significant going wrong with R-300, compared to NV-30. Small delays wouldn't be surprising, but something that would push shipment off more than a couple weeks would be.
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Typedef Enum said:
Could you point to where this info is? I can't seem to find it on their site. Seems they have no Audio archive available.
http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=NVDA&script=1100
Is it? I don't see it on pricewatch, best buy, compusa, buy.com, ebgames, amazon, I'm not sure I can purchase it from ATI direct even though it does say "shipping"(of course, that could be because ATIs servers are under heavy load)
Not saying its likely (especially for the RV250 as its based on a proven design), but lets give equal opportunity for Murphy.
Not saying its likely (especially for the RV250 as its based on a proven design), but lets give equal opportunity for Murphy.
Joe DeFuria
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"Shipping now" means ATI is shipping parts from the factory. (Production has ramped up enough that they can distribute parts "fairly" to their resellers and OEMs.)
I would expect to see it on shelves and in stock on-line within the next week or two.
I would expect to see it on shelves and in stock on-line within the next week or two.
Joe DeFuria
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I saw plenty of pre-orders for the 9000 on Pricewatch. ETA seems to be last week in July / First week of August.
Geek_2002 said:
Interesting, it used to be there. Hmmmm. :/
Joe DeFuria said:
You're right. And not suprisingly "radeon 9000" brings up all those hits.
I wonder what the hell I typed in that brought up nothing? "radeon9000"?
Joe DeFuria
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Hehe....nah...you probably typed "GeForce 9000" just out of wishful thinking.
There's also a couple links to pre-oder a 9700....Of course, I think pre-ordering graphics hardware is ALMOST as silly as pre-ordering software. It always seems like those who pre-order these things get them AFTER I can just walk into a store and pick them up myself.
There's also a couple links to pre-oder a 9700....Of course, I think pre-ordering graphics hardware is ALMOST as silly as pre-ordering software. It always seems like those who pre-order these things get them AFTER I can just walk into a store and pick them up myself.
Joe DeFuria
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LOL...Good memory!
Yes, I did "pre-order" my 8500 from dell....but not because that meant I was trying to get one of the first ones...just the real CHEAP ones. No one was offering near the price Dell was offering at that time.
Heck if Dell would care to have a pre-order for the 9700 right now for $200...sign me up.
Yes, I did "pre-order" my 8500 from dell....but not because that meant I was trying to get one of the first ones...just the real CHEAP ones. No one was offering near the price Dell was offering at that time.
Heck if Dell would care to have a pre-order for the 9700 right now for $200...sign me up.
Nope, definately "radeon9000" brings up nothing.
You paint me as a NVIDIA fan-boy. I'll admit I'm impressed with their machine (i.e. as an engineering and marketting company), so far their products have treated me well, they usually are heading in good directions for the community at large(except that idiotic GF4MX), and they seem to produce exceptionally stable stuff.
I was pro-T&L when that was the battle of the day, pro AF with higher res vs. FSAA (when 800x600 or 640x480 was required to be playable) when that was the rage. That apparently makes me an NVIDIOT because it was contrary to what the 3dfx cheerleaders were promoting (as it was what their company had to offer).
To me, they're simply a company, selling products backed by their technology and engineering.
Sure, I'll poke at fanboys to try to make them back up their positions with something other than rumor, conjecture, snide remarks and opinion. But does that make me an NVIDIOT? nope.
Anyways, these days it doesn't seem to matter much. Everybody is 0wn3d by Microsoft.
You paint me as a NVIDIA fan-boy. I'll admit I'm impressed with their machine (i.e. as an engineering and marketting company), so far their products have treated me well, they usually are heading in good directions for the community at large(except that idiotic GF4MX), and they seem to produce exceptionally stable stuff.
I was pro-T&L when that was the battle of the day, pro AF with higher res vs. FSAA (when 800x600 or 640x480 was required to be playable) when that was the rage. That apparently makes me an NVIDIOT because it was contrary to what the 3dfx cheerleaders were promoting (as it was what their company had to offer).
To me, they're simply a company, selling products backed by their technology and engineering.
Sure, I'll poke at fanboys to try to make them back up their positions with something other than rumor, conjecture, snide remarks and opinion. But does that make me an NVIDIOT? nope.
Anyways, these days it doesn't seem to matter much. Everybody is 0wn3d by Microsoft.
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RussSchultz said:
That is strange. These are required to be made available to the public aren't they?
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