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[rabidrabbit]

If you're buying a HDTV now, it actually is hard to find a tv or projector that doesn't have either DVI or HDMI, or both. At least where I live.
Sure, the shops are selling the old models, tagging them as HDTV compatible even though they arent even resolutionally up to HDTV, just if they have a component input.
A year or two ago it was different, and that's just why I have postponed upgrading my display.
One can only blame himself if one bought a new tv recently and didn't check if it had HDTV compatible HDMI or DVI, or wait until there was more models.
Here, it is clear to see people are upgrading their tv's big time. The sops are almost emty of traditional crt sets, and flat panel tv's have taken their place, and the new models do have DVI/HDMI.

I know in US it is different as HDTV has been there before HDMI, but as Europe is just entering the "HD Era", I think quite a large number of new TV's and projectors will have HDMI/DVI.

Edit: Demo Coder pretty much said it better.

 

[Sean*O]

Good to see a VGA out for the many gamers who will want to use the machine with their CPU monitors, but a bit disappointed about the lack of DVI or true digital out.

I suppose in most cases the difference in image quality will be negligible anyways, although I can still see a slight difference between a properly calibrated VGA and DVI signal on my FPD. I probably would not be able to see a difference at 1280x720 however, only higher resolutions, unless there was some sort of analog interference running.

 

[CNCAddict]

For those looking for a ture 1920x1080 screen at a reasonable cost, check this out. My friend just got one and he loves it.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6998378&type=product&id=1110265591243

 

[hey69]

92cm 1080P LCD screen for only 1999$ ? wow i hope the prices will fall until 2007 when i plan to buy a big ass screen

 

[NavNucST3]

For those looking for a ture 1920x1080 screen at a reasonable cost, check this out. My friend just got one and he loves it.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6998378&type=product&id=1110265591243

Thats the model I mentioned months ago. It is definitely a monitor, though, it can be used as a TV, but if I recall correctly there is no tuner in it, hence the LVM- model rating, instead of Westys LTV- rating.

You can look in avsforum to see reviews. Pay close attention to the hdcp issues with hdmi-->dvi for some items.

 

[Acert93]

For those looking for a ture 1920x1080 screen at a reasonable cost, check this out. My friend just got one and he loves it.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6998378&type=product&id=1110265591243

No HDMI on that But 2x DVI-HDCP

 

[oli2]

I own a LCD Projector, 720p capable (1080i compatible).
I was hesitating between next Xbox and next PS as one of my two next gen console.
From the minute i knew there won't be any dvi/HDMI output on next Xbox, my choice was made. period.

I think you can say Microsoft made me upset with that ...

Component / VGA are certainly "enough" like someone said, but most often, i have found that people that keep saying there is no difference with digital outputs are those who don't have made tests (or unfornutaly have displays not capable of using it) ...

Most often, people that buy multi thousand dollars displays have passed time to :
- define the need
- Look and compare displays
- Install it !
- Tune it : quality cables, parameters on the display (or calibration)
- etc.

I think Sony give a thought to this kind of clients, Microsoft not.

 

[London Geezer]

No HDMI on that But 2x DVI-HDCP

There are cables that have an HDMI port at one end and a DVI one at the other end. They're basically the same thing apart from the physical connectors. And obviously HDCP is included in there.


This whole "images look better when using HDMI" talk is very relative on the actual displays used. Eventually, HDMI will be the standard and every set will look better when plugged to HDMI.

But today it's different. Certain sets can't handle HDMI very well (for a number of reasons) so on those, it's better to use component. Certain sets are the opposite. Certain sets show no difference whatsoever.
It all really depends on what HDTV set you own.

 

[Guden Oden]

Or, you pretty much didn't understand my point, and as usual, you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Egads demo, are you having a rotten day today? Because you're usually far from this snippy, cool it. It's me that's supposed to make people get all bent out of shape, you're a voice of reason around here!

Look here:
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a210/AlgebraicRing/talk_3_slide_5.jpg

The video scaler/RAMDAC is a separate chip, just as in original XB, so if they really want to, they could make a digital version in the future. Not that I expect it to happen, at least not any time soon.

And while x360 doesn't have firewire, that's correct. On the other hand, PS3 doesn't have firewire either, so I don't know if that's worth making too big a deal out of... FW's getting increasingly marginalized by USB2 anyway, most video camcorders seem to have both interfaces these days, and I think some actually have USB2 only. Soon I would think firewire will start to disappear even from cameras, seeing as FW isn't a standard port on PCs, and USB2 is. Less hassle for the end-user. But this is neither here nor there really with regards to the topic.

It's a bit of a shame x360 lacks digital video out, but hey... Component's more than good enough to play games with, I game using s-video on my PS2 with no real problems despite some color bleed here and there. Component is nearly as good as VGA, and VGA is great quality. Can't see any problems at all with the image on my LCD TV when I use the VGA-in from my PC, it looks just as stable and sharp as DVI, using a 3-meter fairly thick double-shielded Hama VGA cable from Germany. Not worth getting anal over this issue, it's not as if I'm going to sit there and read tiny fonts off a web page all day long on my x360 anyway.

 

[oli2]

The video scaler/RAMDAC is a separate chip, just as in original XB, so if they really want to, they could make a digital version in the future.

If some speculations that have been made are correct, it will be quite interesting to buy a Xbox 360 in a moment :
- With / Without Digital output
- With / Without HD-DVD drive
- With / Without HDD inside
- Why not : with an improved Xenos or with more Ram ! (just kidding)

Are we speaking about a console here ?

About the component / HDMI debate, are we on a techie forum here ? You can't justify the lack of digital port by saying component / VGA will be enough for most of the people (even if it is basically correct).

Most of the posters here agree that the machine will make the hardcore gamers happy with the huge 3D power it have. You cannot put a frontier just before the scaler / DAC / TSMC and say it is not relevant !

 

[Guden Oden]

About the component / HDMI debate, are we on a techie forum here ? You can't justify the lack of digital port by saying component / VGA will be enough for most of the people (even if it is basically correct).

If you say it is basically correct, why couldn't we justify it that way? Regardless, the matter is in microsoft's hands and not ours. I'd preferred both HDMI (as the DVI connector is big and clunky) and component outs on x360, but I'm not dissatisfied with component, as my new TV has component in for MS, and DVI in for Sony... I also don't think there will be very many TVs with DVI/HDMI only inputs and no component.

 

[Johnny Awesome]

Democoder, your pm box is full so I'll ask my question here:

I have a Toshiba 34HF81 CRT HDTV that is about 4 years old. Can you tell me the best way to calibrate it for the nicest image? Should I use Avia? Where can I get it? Do I need anything else?

 

[DemoCoder]

Get the AVIA Guide to Home Theater or Digital Video Essentials from Amazon. AVIA (and I think DVE) comes with red, green, and blue filters used to calibrate. If you pirate the DVD, you can do some of the calibrations (black level/white level/sharpness/etc) but you cannot do the saturation, tint, and color decoder calibrations without the filters, unless your TV has a special mode to turn off red/green/blue pixels, which most displays don't have.

Not only are these DVDs important for calibrating video, but your sound system as well (if you have one). A cheap radio shack SPL meter goes along way (unless you have an auto-calibrating THX Ultra2 receiver, but I find the autocalibrations often *wrong* and much tweak manually)

 

[Calavaro]

Not sure if it has been posted here yet in these forums.
XBOX 360 internals

 

[Dave Baumann]

Yes, that would be the third time.