More crazy PSP PS3 NexTGen talk!
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As Sony has said it will only be supporting two consloe generations at a time, I say that quote is just speculation not based on any facts.
Was that really worth a topic of it's own
Was that really worth a topic of it's own
rabidrabbit said:As Sony has said it will only be supporting two consloe generations at a time, I say that quote is just speculation not based on any facts.
Was that really worth a topic of it's own
Not really no. But ms and nintendo are right. Trying to launch 2 systems and supporting them and mabye loosing money on both will take its toll on them in the long run. Esp if the psp fails .
Don't see GBA/GCN hurting the Nintendo.
Sony are not launching the PSP and PS3 simultaneously, don't see why it would hurt them either. There'll be at least a years gap between the machines. Just enough time to start selling the PSP hardware at profit, at which point they'll maube feel secure enough to start selling the PS3 at loss. Who knows, maybe they'll even delay launching the PS3 a few months until they no more sell PSP at loss (or if the PSP is a failure, just stop the PSP production)
Even if Sony fails with PSP, selling less than what GBA is selling, would they have failed then? I don't see you claiming Microsoft failed 'cos it hasen't been able to top PS2 (and maybeeven GCN).
PSP 'failing' would be if it sells like say, N-Gage
Sony are not launching the PSP and PS3 simultaneously, don't see why it would hurt them either. There'll be at least a years gap between the machines. Just enough time to start selling the PSP hardware at profit, at which point they'll maube feel secure enough to start selling the PS3 at loss. Who knows, maybe they'll even delay launching the PS3 a few months until they no more sell PSP at loss (or if the PSP is a failure, just stop the PSP production)
Even if Sony fails with PSP, selling less than what GBA is selling, would they have failed then? I don't see you claiming Microsoft failed 'cos it hasen't been able to top PS2 (and maybeeven GCN).
PSP 'failing' would be if it sells like say, N-Gage
That was just a internet forum generated rumour.
And what do you know! KK did re-position inside Sony! Only he did go up not down as the rumourmongers misunderstood
And what do you know! KK did re-position inside Sony! Only he did go up not down as the rumourmongers misunderstood
rabidrabbit said:That was just a internet forum generated rumour.
And what do you know! KK did re-position inside Sony! Only he did go up not down as the rumourmongers misunderstood
it was not a rumor. the story came along one article that talks about the rise of KK within Sony. iirc, it was pana or some other sony guy, who posted that link. world news journal or something.
chaphack said:You guys know how much Sony lost initially with the PS2? cant recall the amount but i know it was soo significan enough for Sony heads to re-consider KK position in the organisation....
dude it's not a long term loss if it puts them in a position of market leader *and* yields medium to long term profits. it's a not-too-disimlar way running a console business to everyone else. (we can look at MS for and extreme end of this and the big N alternatives).
if it tanks (and theres no way of knowng till it's first year or so) then sure he's a gonnah, but it would really have to tank(think 3DO, think jaguar, think apple
)rabidrabbit said:Don't see GBA/GCN hurting the Nintendo.
Sony are not launching the PSP and PS3 simultaneously, don't see why it would hurt them either. There'll be at least a years gap between the machines. Just enough time to start selling the PSP hardware at profit, at which point they'll maube feel secure enough to start selling the PS3 at loss. Who knows, maybe they'll even delay launching the PS3 a few months until they no more sell PSP at loss (or if the PSP is a failure, just stop the PSP production)
Even if Sony fails with PSP, selling less than what GBA is selling, would they have failed then? I don't see you claiming Microsoft failed 'cos it hasen't been able to top PS2 (and maybeeven GCN).
PSP 'failing' would be if it sells like say, N-Gage
The support was there for the gba . something like a 1300 games for the system already on store shelves , many with a large amount of classic and color games . Low system price , no one else in that market , No loss on console. Same with gba sp but with more gba games out.
Sony on the other hand has the psp which has no games out laready , is going to be expensive has to compete with the game boy and the ngage (yea i know its not a big deal but its still there ) Much diffrent than the game boy system.
Of course the psp could make it . But i dunno.
jvd said:
As there will be support already for the PS3, in form of PS2 backwards compatibility.
Just the same situation as what you described above pro Nintendo, only reversed.
Still, were not sure if PSP will be selling at much more at loss than what GBA did after launch. They could even use much of PSP technology in PDA's and cellphones.
rabidrabbit said:
Of course . But your still not addressing the fact that they will be loosing money on both systems while nintendo lost none and even made money on the gba's and the gba sp.
That is whats gonig to hurt them . With ps3 being able to play past games isn't going to make up the fact that they are loosing money on each system sold. It can only hurt them . If they are loosing 100 bucks per ps3 they would need idealy everyone that bought a ps3 to buy 4 or 5 games to break even. With psp if they are loosing a 100 on each system they will need even more games sold per console unless they sell the games for crazy prices which wont help matters .
with the gba nintendo made money no each system sold . So it was good if they sold millions of systems with no games . With gamecube they didn't loose or gain any money . So with that it didn't matter.
See my point ?
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Nope. Sony has shown that it does not play by the industry's rule when it comes to chip fabrication, as evidenced by massive die size of 0.25 micron EE(278 mm2) and Handheld Engine(200+ mm2). Sony parts are clearly too expensive to be used by 3rd party OEMs. Not only that, Sony has to compete against dual-core XScale and quad-core NEC ARM11 competing for the same market. AndI guarantee you that those ARM devices will be much more cost effective compared to Sony technology.
hmm.. are you sure Nintendo dodn't lose money with Game Cube?
I don't recall such news either, but that doesn't necessarily mean they were on the plus from the go.
There is no yet figures for PSP sales and manufacturing costs, so it is as reasonable to except Sony will be selling them profitably as well as they won't.
In any case, Sony does take a risk and I'm sure they know that too, but also I'm sure they are quite confident PSP and PS3 hardware will profit in longer term.
If PS2 software still continues to sell well along with PSP and later PS3 software, I don't see why they should be at the least worried.
Maybe Sony will first sell the bells-and-whistles $250 PSP, with capability to connect those additional extra options such as cell phone, gps...
and after getting some market share and recognition, release a
$150 PSP-SP, with less features (like no cell phone or gps capability, no memstick etc...)
I don't recall such news either, but that doesn't necessarily mean they were on the plus from the go.
There is no yet figures for PSP sales and manufacturing costs, so it is as reasonable to except Sony will be selling them profitably as well as they won't.
In any case, Sony does take a risk and I'm sure they know that too, but also I'm sure they are quite confident PSP and PS3 hardware will profit in longer term.
If PS2 software still continues to sell well along with PSP and later PS3 software, I don't see why they should be at the least worried.
Maybe Sony will first sell the bells-and-whistles $250 PSP, with capability to connect those additional extra options such as cell phone, gps...
and after getting some market share and recognition, release a
$150 PSP-SP, with less features (like no cell phone or gps capability, no memstick etc...)
rabidrabbit said:
I don't believe at any point in the cubes life it was sold less than it cost to make.
THe psp is going to be expensive to make. I doubt anyone here will say taht those chips are going to be cheap. Neither will memory sticks , lan , cooling solution , the screen they are using .
Even if sony launchs it at 250$ i highly doubt they will be breakin even . Not if the ngage is 300$ and is breaking even.
Don't forget if the psp fails. Which it has a very good chance of doing. The ps3 will be effected by it and sony as a whole . They would have to make money back on the design , hardware and sotfware they made for it. Which will future decrease the money the ps3 makes . Which may prevent future steps for sony . Then unlike last gen . The ps3 will be up against the xbox 2 which can play xbox games and a gamecube 2 that will both be out around the time of the ps3 or even a few months before it .
Its alot diffrent for sony than it is for nintendo. The psp could very well cost them first place in the console market and end up as a failure . Which would be very costly for sony. Some where in the billions .
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