More ATI Driver News from Derek Smart

[Sabastian]

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OK, so we're going to reduce the discussion, once again to name calling?
Want to get me started?

Go right ahead, you still remind me of the most obnoxious jerk I have ever met. Further you are not one to talk about name calling. Amazing how much credibility some give you really. Pompous, arrogant, egotistical, bigheaded, narcissistic and jackass come to my mind when I read your post. For the most part you “beat around the bushâ€￾ questions that are legit or ignore them all together when you are asked… At best you are nothing but a poor developer and your opinions are biased in the most obvious ways. I will mostly discredit you based on what I have read of your postings from here out. You will never be a person whom is accepted here or for that matter anywhere else with the exception of your own game site , where you may have multiple aliases to boost your ego on. What ever you say does not impress me as I believe you to be of the most ignorant sort of individual….

 

[Sharkfood]

Well.. we had sensible discussion for, oh, what, say 2 pages? lol.

 

[Reverend]

From what I read of Derek's posts, his "more polite" posts are his replies to posts that consist of contents that really matter (i.e. a few who have attempted to find out his MT complaints), while his "less polite" posts are replies to, well, "less polite" posts themselves.

I enjoy reading the former and simply scroll right through the latter. Ah, all this tit-for-tat, some love it, some don't !!

 

[DemoCoder]

Rev, that may be true, but he should learn not to lower himself to the level of his critics. If you take a look at this history on the internet, it's obvious he's a compulsive addict to the flame wars.

John Carmack, for instance, takes a lot of heat on the slashdot forums from idiots, but he never lowers himself to that level. Even John Romero, who took (rightfully) tremendous criticism over Daikatana and the way he ran ION Storm hasn't devolved to the level of fanning flamefests all over the internet. If someone is your customer, and says you have a bug, you should apologize and fix it. If they are wrong about the bug, then you should calmly explain why that information is wrong. But you should probably never, as a representative of your company, engage is bashing and name calling.


One thing you learn in life is that you can't please everyone. Whenever you release anything, you are going to take comments on both sides. If you get too thin-skinned about it, you end up like Derek, digging himself deeper and deeper by losing his temper in these forums, and all around, exhibiting Alpha Male behavior.


And boasting you are the world's greatest is not going to help advance your cause at all. All that does is make people want to take you down. That's why Derek has hate/attack homepages all over the internet about him. Why USENET posters went and investigated his personal life and found out about his Phd, bankruptcy, etc.

 

[Alex]

This whole thread seems a lot like Derek vs. ATI fanboys, the type of discussions you'd see in the Nintendo/Playstation advocacy forums.

Even without Derek's none-too-polite inputs, ATI would stlill generally have a reputation for poorly written drivers.

Hell, I STILL can't get vsync on my games with my Radeon 7500. Had to finally dump it for a Ti4400, just to get a non-tearing game session going.

This is why I avoided the 8500 and why I'll avoid the 9700. As long as the management in ATI doesn't see this relationship, I guess I'll continue to purchase products from their competitors, despite the ATI hardware advantage.

I'm not a benchmarker. If simple things like vsync don't work, I'm not a happy gamer.

 

[Reverend]

But you should probably never, as a representative of your company, engage is bashing and name calling.

Yep, we should all do that if we want to regard ourselves as professionals.

Of course, if you don't regard yourself as a "professional" in what you do (which doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing!), well...[/quote]

 

[Alex]

And boasting you are the world's greatest is not going to help advance your cause at all. All that does is make people want to take you down. That's why Derek has hate/attack homepages all over the internet about him. Why USENET posters went and investigated his personal life and found out about his Phd, bankruptcy, etc.

But if we're all mature adults for the most part, couldn't we easily ignore Derek's egomaniacal streak and listen to his arguments? I could care less if he proclaims himself to be the greatest programmer in the world. I just take a look at his arguments, and see if they have any basis in reality. This whole Derek bashing just gives him more energy to return the favor.

I just don't understand why people get so hung up over the name-calling. Ignore it, and it'll ignore you.

 

[Doomtrooper]

This whole thread seems a lot like Derek vs. ATI fanboys, the type of discussions you'd see in the Nintendo/Playstation advocacy forums.

Even without Derek's none-too-polite inputs, ATI would stlill generally have a reputation for poorly written drivers.

That is correct, and ATI is trying to change that..

1) Derek said issues are getting fixed quick
2) How many times does a IHV representetive hang out on forums helping issues (show one other)
3) ATI has the most advanced card on the market also implementing another milestone..8X AGP..without the API its was designed arround...DX9.

If you didn't know how to enable vsync (which I do quite easily) then you belong in a console forum.
I always enjoy reading these 3 posts wonders ..that know all.

 

[Alex]

If you didn't know how to enable vsync (which I do quite easily) then you belong in a console forum.

Uh....no. I do know how to enable vsync, as I said in my previous post on this issue. I've tried every single registry hack known to man (yes, I do know how to edit the registry - imagine that).

Still no go. This is using the last five driver revisions including the latest Catalyst drivers on my 7500. VSync was broken (yah, there's that word again). I really believe they purposefully broke the feature to enable higher benchmark scores among newbies that didn't know how, or didn't care to, disable vsync prior to running benchmarks.

The end result, no matter what the motive may be, is a tear-fest in games like Morrowind. It works just fine on my Ti4400 without tearing, but it's put me off ATI for the time being (e.g. bad business practice on their part).

I always enjoy reading these 3 posts wonders ..that know all.

Not sure if I know all, but I do know how to enable vsync.

 

[hax]

This is why I avoided the 8500 and why I'll avoid the 9700. As long as the management in ATI doesn't see this relationship, I guess I'll continue to purchase products from their competitors, despite the ATI hardware advantage.

Rightfully so. ATI is, however, trying to make things better and the 9700 release is markedly better than the 8500. Hopefully, in due time, people would notice a trend of improvement and you would give ATI a try again. You are the consumer, and you have your choices to make. Nobody can fault you for that, though some may try.

 

[Alex]

Rightfully so. ATI is, however, trying to make things better and the 9700 release is markedly better than the 8500. Hopefully, in due time, people would notice a trend of improvement and you would give ATI a try again. You are the consumer, and you have your choices to make. Nobody can fault you for that, though some may try.

Eventually I will give them a try again, if only to see if they've improved in the one area I've had major issues with. But the trust (or track record) just isn't there at the moment, at least from my personal experiences.

BTW, anyone know if vsync works with Morrowind on either the 8500 or 9700?

 

[Doomtrooper]

Vsync works just fine on my 8500 ..go figure.

Check off your option and...Wham..Vsync is on..some old legacy games have issues ..So I guess ATI should have a option to force it on

 

[Bigus Dickus]

I think Alex's post in response to DT is a textbook example of how to defend your arguments, stand your ground, and shrug off personal attacks without entering into a flame filled swear-fest tirade. Well done.

This entire thread could have gone much better had some other posts taken this approach as well.

 

[Doomtrooper]

Oh come now Dickus, don't make me pull up some of your old posts...I find it funny you feel you are above that now

 

[DemoCoder]

ATI has to be cut some slack. The R300 is a completely new architecture and no matter what, the driver will have some bugs this early.

I take the view that the 1.0 version of everything is crap. Just everyone on their third revision.

 

[Hellbinder]

Give me a break.. Derek V.S. ATI fanboys. Of course this is being stated from the Extreme Nvidia crowd...

From what I am reading Mr. Smart started the name calling and insulting. As a few *honest* people have noted. It is pretty damn irritating that the only people defending this behavior are the clear Nvidia FanBase. Like Alex, Reverend and a few others.

If I came here and posted anything even remotely like this you would have already banned me. AS would Derek at his own site. It is completely hypocritical for him to come here, flame away at people.. call names.. etc etc.. and yet throw people off his own site left and right for even sneezing wrong. And I dont want to hear any **** about *yeah well its my site i can do what I want*.. because thats not the point. The point is.. "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"...

It is also reallly sad that the same few people like alex and others are using these coupple on NON-ISSUES, or minor bugs that have already been fixed by the first driver release to make derogatory statements against ATi. I could understand it if there was at least an *attempt* at ballance. As Nvidia also has driver issues, and even unresolved issues.

This is why it gets so damn old getting labled as a fanboy for ATi when all i want is some damn honesty from everyone. Its the totally one sided crap that pisses me off.

 

[DemoCoder]

What's sad is he really does believe that technical skill is all that matters. He says he doesn't care if future bosses or business people read his usenet posts. But if a potential boss or publisher looks at his history and his unprofessional behavior (can't deliver debugged games on schedule, litiguous behavior against business partners, bad public pr), it certainly *WILL* have an effect on how the publisher treats him.

In the real world, your character, your honor, you word, your behavior does matter. Reputation has an effect.


Even the best and brightest people have to cooperate with others. You don't get anywhere in life by telling everyone to piss off, even if you are a super genius. Human beings natural talents are multiplied when they can work with people who have complementary (even lesser) skills, that's why we have organizations in society.

If I was a publisher or investor looking to put my money behind a developer, I can tell you, I'd have second thoughts handing my money over to someone who displays behavior like that.

 

[Reverend]

From what I am reading Mr. Smart started the name calling and insulting. As a few *honest* people have noted. It is pretty damn irritating that the only people defending this behavior are the clear Nvidia FanBase. Like Alex, Reverend and a few others.

Please watch your fucking mouth, you git!



I have not "defended" him, Mr ATI FanBase.

[edit]BTW, I'm getting a little sick of this "Reverend=NVIDIA fan" shit. Those who think so can ask any B3D staff if I'm such, or ask those "respectables" (well, my "respectables" like SimonF, MfA, SA, Kristof, etc). Hopefully I'll get the 9700 Pro soon and even before I review it I just know that I'll be using it until something better comes along.

 

[RaolinDarksbane]

It's going downhill again.....

Nice job there Mr. Smart, never had I seen so much slinging in this forum.

 

[Reverend]

It's going downhill again.....

Nah... altho' it felt kinda nice to post "...fucking mouth, you git" !

I'm just dying to stick a 9700 in my system (due to all the reviews I've read) to replace my aging-but-trusty GF4Ti4600. Some folks don't see the objectivity in my posts/reviews but only see/focus on the fact that I only write NVIDIA reviews/articles (I've said this all before why this is so... no need to repeat).