I'd be very surprised if there would be. The majority of SoCs containing Series5XT cores haven't even appeared yet. It always takes quite some time for each of the SoC manufacturers from licensing specific IP until it ends up in final devices.
I'd be very surprised if there would be. The majority of SoCs containing Series5XT cores haven't even appeared yet. It always takes quite some time for each of the SoC manufacturers from licensing specific IP until it ends up in final devices.
Its interesting who was picked and who wasn't but the chipset makers choose the companys so perhaps TI and Toshiba have been close for awhile ?
I think this strategy could be a good thing at launch. If each of those companys have a tablet ready for RT you will have 4 diffrent tablets on the market plus Surface . So a total of 5 choices(I didn't count hp since they publicly stated they aren't making a rt tablet this year).
I think thats a good number , to many options would just flood the market and companys like acer do make some poor tablets. I'm hoping that changes as the w700 and w510 look very nice from acer however the w500 was pretty cheap.
So the rumor is going around that the Surface RT will be $200
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57491529-92/dont-price-surface-at-$199-pleads-acer/
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/14/microsoft-surface-199/
Now if any company besides apple can do it , its certianly MS . This would also be a game changer the galaxy nexus and even the ipad will look over priced compared to it.
It be a tegra 3 + 10 inch tablet running windows rt with a full suite of office and the touch cover at $200.
I however doubt its going to happen and I think its Acer trying to screw MS here. If Acer says $200 enough people will start to believe it and then will become disapointed with any other price.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57491529-92/dont-price-surface-at-$199-pleads-acer/
http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/14/microsoft-surface-199/
Now if any company besides apple can do it , its certianly MS . This would also be a game changer the galaxy nexus and even the ipad will look over priced compared to it.
It be a tegra 3 + 10 inch tablet running windows rt with a full suite of office and the touch cover at $200.
I however doubt its going to happen and I think its Acer trying to screw MS here. If Acer says $200 enough people will start to believe it and then will become disapointed with any other price.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
That's a tough call there.
With the Xbox, MS could afford to price their hardware in order to drive marketshare and then hope to get it back through software sales. In effect, if things went badly they would only hurt themselves.
That same strategy must be tempting for them in order to break into the media consumption side of the slate/tablet market, but unfortunately, this time their pricing wouldn't only affect their own bottom line. And if anything MS is quite reliant on hardware OEMs.
That's assuming the rumor is true and MS is/was thinking of launching this at or under cost. It's certainly plausible as it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Kindle Fire and/or the Nexus 7 were selling under cost (with royalties making up any hardware losses).
Regards,
SB
With the Xbox, MS could afford to price their hardware in order to drive marketshare and then hope to get it back through software sales. In effect, if things went badly they would only hurt themselves.
That same strategy must be tempting for them in order to break into the media consumption side of the slate/tablet market, but unfortunately, this time their pricing wouldn't only affect their own bottom line. And if anything MS is quite reliant on hardware OEMs.
That's assuming the rumor is true and MS is/was thinking of launching this at or under cost. It's certainly plausible as it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Kindle Fire and/or the Nexus 7 were selling under cost (with royalties making up any hardware losses).
Regards,
SB
Seems like the only way that could ever happen is if Microsoft gave a chunk of their cut of all app store sales to the tablet maker. So on their own Surface tablets they keep it all, but if someone bought an app on an Asus Win8 tablet then they share the revenue somehow with them. Without that there would be no reason for any hardware partner to make RT tablets because they could never compete, they can't just sell them at a loss without any way to recoup that loss.
Silent_Buddha
Legend
That might work, but it'd probably have to be a significantly large chunk. And I'm not sure MS really wants to go there in the event they drop making their own slates over time (IE - once the OEMs are making quality slates).
For example, let's assume that like Apple and Google they get the standard 30%. I'd think that for an OEM, to be worthwhile to sell its hardware at a loss, they'd want at least 20-25% leaving MS with only 5-10%. And even then I'm not sure if many of the OEMs (especially the smaller ones) would be able to survive on that. They'd need to move significant units to reach critical mass in order to get enough app purchases to offset the loss on hardware.
It just seems like MS is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. In order to break off chunks of iOS share and fend off a potential assault by Android, it would be a good idea to undercut iOS slates while at the same time matching the price of the Google slate. But if you do that you potentially piss off your hardware OEM partners which you rely on to maintain a dominant share of the computer industry.
In the end, I don't think MS has much of a choice here, assuming the Google Nexus 7 remains a good seller. And hence will have to hope it can make its OEM partners understand the position it is in.
Regards,
SB
Isn't Google already in that situation of pissing off OEMs? They have an OS business and a tablet which they are selling at break even or a loss in order to gain some traction against Apple. The OEMs don't really have an option of moving to another platform on 'protest' because that platform is already doing what Microsoft might do.
Google now owns Motorolla .
The way I look at it is simple. MS will let the OEMS make RT tablets and there is room for higher end ones (the surface only has a 768p screen) but MS is going to set the standard on the tablets.
In all honesty I wish MS would come out with their own line of products from phones up to desktop pcs. The OEMs give Windows such a bad reputation due to the crud they install
french toast
Veteran
Just had a look at this promo video for windows 8...it looks bloody awesome!..
The way some of the traditional old style anti Microsoft bloggers on here have been slating it.. you would think it was a clunky mess..aka vista MKII..but it clearly is not..it is as slick as..just check out those transitions...attractive easy to use, inovative ui...what happened to the old clunky Microsoft that stopped thinking up new ideas??
http://blog.gsmarena.com/four-windo...d-of-time-show-the-flexibility-of-the-new-os/
The way some of the traditional old style anti Microsoft bloggers on here have been slating it.. you would think it was a clunky mess..aka vista MKII..but it clearly is not..it is as slick as..just check out those transitions...attractive easy to use, inovative ui...what happened to the old clunky Microsoft that stopped thinking up new ideas??
http://blog.gsmarena.com/four-windo...d-of-time-show-the-flexibility-of-the-new-os/
While I like W8, there are some things I do find legitimately clunky about it.
- Metro apps don't get a taskbar icon. This means you need to look in a combination of places to see everything that's running. Yes, everything shows up in alt-tab, but not everyone knows about that.
- There are more than a few unclued gestures (hover at top-left, then swipe down to see all running metro apps is a great example).
- Some default file type associations default to the metro app even when being launched from a desktop application. I found that this is rarely what I wanted.
- Metro apps don't seem to run in the background, so you can't just tab away while a slow-booting metro app loads (I'm not actually sure if this is entirely true, but it seems to be).
I will say though that the start screen itself is great, it's incredible fast, and the theme is really beautiful. It's also hard to complain about built in PDF reading and ISO mounting.
I don't think that there's anything fundamentally wrong with W8. But I would like to see some tweaks to aid usability/discoverability and to better unify the classic and new desktop experiences.
french toast
Veteran
Yea perhaps your right about the rough edges...or teething problems...but I expect these those are just minor efficiency improvements and ui polishing that can be downloaded with SP 1..or sooner...it's not like there is something fundamentally wrong or that the whole thing is as bad as spoke of the Microsoft hatters would have you believe...the whole idea is both ambitious mad innovative...cleverly tying the whole "metro" theme across all its products, chopping hardware resources down, optimising for touch and speed, and lets not forget the ability to use both arm and x86...as well as go back to the w7 design for the traditionalists...incredible if you ask me.
My only mild disappointment is that they didn't get ambitious enough with regards to windows 8 rt and wp8....in my humble opinion they should have been brave and made them one and the same thing...ala android.
Instead we have 3 products and Microsoft trying to restrict users to buy a mixture of 2 of them not counting Xbox 720/Kinect...mildly annoying as I want my phone to operate as an full windows rt computer...not separated.
My only mild disappointment is that they didn't get ambitious enough with regards to windows 8 rt and wp8....in my humble opinion they should have been brave and made them one and the same thing...ala android.
Instead we have 3 products and Microsoft trying to restrict users to buy a mixture of 2 of them not counting Xbox 720/Kinect...mildly annoying as I want my phone to operate as an full windows rt computer...not separated.
I feel like there was some MS press that implied that WP8 is based in some way on the NT kernel? They've certainly said that compiling an RT app down to WP8 is supposed to be "easy". Although of course given that the SDK still isn't out, I guess we'll have to wait and see how that plays out.
It seems like the long term goal is in line with what you're talking about, but with where tech is right now, to have RT and WP8 be the same thing would probably require hamstringing RT.
Does anyone know if it'll be possible to run WP8 apps on RT?
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