Merril Lynch estimates $399 PS3 pricetag. $494 to produce.
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scooby_dooby said:
If it's $399 in the US, it won't be north of C$499 in Canada. That's a reasonable early-adopter price for a blue-ray player, but kinda steep for a console that needs to gain mass adoption to be profitable. If I were a product planner at EA or Sqenix, I'd be hedging my Sony bets.
its funny that dispite not being the most powerfull or having the most games the gamecube was able to sell almost as many units as the xbox even though the xbox cost more to make and lost hundreds of million for ms while the gamecube made hundreds of million for nintendo .
Of course price matters but its a difficult juggling game
Of course price matters but its a difficult juggling game
Qroach said:
well, all except one.
Hey, it´s Mr. "Look at my sources! Oh, just try to ignore the fact that they are not very reliable for the matter at hand! BELIEVE ME!!!!!!!"
Go do something else if you don´t have anything to contribute, mmmk?
jvd said:
The market is different. Why did you think GCN wasn´t favoured by the market? Instead of being seen as a steal in terms of price:value ratio, it was even thought of as less powerfull and valuable than PS2. I believe that is because in the console market, price is one of the biggest indicators of value.
Traditionally, consoles stay at their introduction price point a couple of years, at least in the NA market, so I don´t believe a price cut would be favorable to public perception of the X360. The hardcore population will make known that they bought it at $300 just a couple months ago and that this the thing is decreasing in value, fast.
The sale strategy is solid, but I question how widespread it can be and how much it can last. If you offer it in a limited fashion, your ability to maximize sales drops. If you limit the sale, stores that aren´t offering it will suffer that fact and the sales surge won´t seem as great. The same will happen if the sale isn´t on for a sufficient time period. It´s tricky too, if it extends for too long, it will just seem like the standard price and the impact is gone.
AFAIK, they´re very similar in size. I don´t remember the exact figure, but the difference was in the region of 10% of difference.
I see your point, and sure, that should provide an advantage. Still, how expensive to manufacture will the eDRAM block be?
I see. How many more busses are in PS3 than x360?
It´s a fixed cost, though, the HDD I mean. Its cost shouldn´t be neglible as MS was very hesitant on including it for a reason. If it were very cheap Sony would have no trouble announcing one themselves, don´t you think?
True, Blu Ray hasn´t been produced yet, AFAIK, but it will be, and in very big volumes, so I don´t see it being very costly. I doubt Sony would have included it if it had affected that much PS3´s budget.
And currently JVD Xbox outsells GC 2-1 with one hand tied behind it's back in the form of massively constrained supply.
If Xbox had solid supply, I'm sure it would be outselling PS2 right now, just as it did for the last half of 2004 before MS began pulling the rug out from under it this spring, more or less. Not bad for a console declared doomed on arrival 5 years ago by thousands of forum fanboys.
Yes price matters, but in consoles it's a lot less important than power. So is software.
The only way MS will be able to exploit a big price advantage is if the systems are pretty close to equal in power. If there's even a 20% difference, then I dont think even being priced a hundred lower will help MS.
If Xbox had solid supply, I'm sure it would be outselling PS2 right now, just as it did for the last half of 2004 before MS began pulling the rug out from under it this spring, more or less. Not bad for a console declared doomed on arrival 5 years ago by thousands of forum fanboys.
Yes price matters, but in consoles it's a lot less important than power. So is software.
The only way MS will be able to exploit a big price advantage is if the systems are pretty close to equal in power. If there's even a 20% difference, then I dont think even being priced a hundred lower will help MS.
gosh said:
There´s no shortage of Xbox reported as of right now, so I´m not sure what you are talking about.
Xbox´s last holyday season was an anomaly. Heck, even GCN sold almost as much as PS2 and Xbox. The current sales are normal and expected IMO.
That´s strange. Games like Oblivion WILL use the HDD, AFAIK. If you remove it´s status as a necessity, aren´t you throwing your advantage out of the window?
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The reason Gamecub didn't do well had nothing to do with price drops or "impressions"
It was GAMES.
There is no comparison here, not only will PS3 and X360 share the vast majority of their titles, but MS is lining up exclusives like nobody's business.
There is no comparison to Gamecube, not even remotely in the same ballpark.
Consumers are not as braindead sa you guys seem to think. If the graphics are the same, and the game selection is equal or better, they will buy the cheaper console.
It was GAMES.
There is no comparison here, not only will PS3 and X360 share the vast majority of their titles, but MS is lining up exclusives like nobody's business.
There is no comparison to Gamecube, not even remotely in the same ballpark.
Consumers are not as braindead sa you guys seem to think. If the graphics are the same, and the game selection is equal or better, they will buy the cheaper console.
Qroach said:
Right back at you, my confidence deprived friend. Why not make something even more usefull and post what your source say about Nintendo´s Revolution right now?
Afterall, the game development community is incredibly tiny, MINISCULE, so he´s GOT to know what Nintendo is doing.
"The reason Gamecub didn't do well had nothing to do with price drops or "impressions"
It was GAMES."
Yes that's right. Upon release, Gamecube had all the famous games, as well as all the third party games Xbox did. Xbox had no established franchises. The games advantage was 110% in Gamecubes favor. No question at all.
It was GAMES."
Yes that's right. Upon release, Gamecube had all the famous games, as well as all the third party games Xbox did. Xbox had no established franchises. The games advantage was 110% in Gamecubes favor. No question at all.
gosh said:
Why not include 2005´s figures? And where is this reported massive shortage you talk about? PS2 keeps selling at least twice the ammount Xbox does, with no shortages, for the entire year - if the last holyday season wasn´t an anomaly, why is this happening? An unexistent shortage?
I really don't expect the PS3 to debut at $399 in North America nor do I expect MS to instigate immediate price wars. I expect MS to be livin' in the black while Sony eats it. Then, maybe in Spring/Summer '07, MS will lead off the pricing wars to hurt Sony.
The article, to me, just confirms that MS is in the driver's seat about pricing. We've known this to be case for some time, though. MS can choose to eat the loss and put a hurt on Sony or lose less (maybe even turn a profit) and parallel Sony.
The article, to me, just confirms that MS is in the driver's seat about pricing. We've known this to be case for some time, though. MS can choose to eat the loss and put a hurt on Sony or lose less (maybe even turn a profit) and parallel Sony.
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Gosh - Are you just trying to argue for the sake of arguing?
if Gamecube had the same titles as XBOX or PS2, and sold at $99 it would have DESTROYED both consoles.
What's your point?
if Gamecube had the same titles as XBOX or PS2, and sold at $99 it would have DESTROYED both consoles.
What's your point?
Qroach said:
LOL, I don´t know, but wasn´t you the one who veered the thread off topic in the first place?
Anyway, ask him what Square is doing right now. He´s got to know, afterall, all the programmers live in the same building, don´t they? I think I´ve seen it, isn´t there a big sign that says "Appartments for the ENTIRE Game Industry Programmers" and is 3 stories high or so?
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