"Lost Odyssey" a catalyst to sell millions in Japan & tens of millions in Europe?

So what? the same logic applies to any JRPG fan, if i had to choose between 360 and ps3 for the best JRPG experience, then PS3 is a no brainer, it will have tons and tons more JRPG's.

 

meaning that square has a presence on 360 from day1.
if someone leaves all the press FUD and SS tactics out of this, and just sees the facts, it's simply a fact that enix has 360 presence. that is the relevance.
and since that first day, quite a lot of other japanese companies have created and sold games for the platform, some of them with remarkable success.

so if 1+1 equals 2, then maybe s.e. games is not such a long distance dream for m$ this generation.

now if all these games are available at launch, I guess lots of people are gonna be very happy.
I had in mind a list of 11 confirmed lauch titles up to very recently. (all multiplatform except untold legends and resistance)
I will try to find the link and put it here,
but I really-really prefer your version of launch games list.

well, I'm all up for established quality franchises, but to me NEW quality IP's are at least as important.
for example, I am very fond of the next Unreal Tournament 200X, but there is also Gears of War, which is the NEW IP from those people.
I guess I'd go for gears without much thought, rather than dismissing it because "its not UT"

quite the same thing is Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon. you know the people who are making them.
many of the franchises that you are loyal to, where made by those people.

Now IF these games turn out to be awesome, and I am THE dedicated rpg player, how is it possible to just dismiss them?
is my above mentioned loyalty given just to a title of a game,
or is it the experience that the game provides for me that is important?


given the fact that the next FF game is bound not to be released for a very hefty amount of time,
and also the things I mentioned above like S.E has already a presence on 360 platform, plus that japanese games like dead rising and chromehounds are selling very well (whatever indication or motive will this be),
I dont think its so easy to just draw the line and say: "rpg = ps3"

at least this is my personal perception of whats going on.


p.s. regarding the japan market thing, IF those games are anything else than stunning, m$ is burried in deep sh!t in japan for life.
even deeper that they were before. and completely irreversibly too. for ever!

p.s.2 slay my friend, you can find your answer too in this same post. τα λεμε!

 

What you would have said if ID software (for example) decided to port Doom 3, (a game that was already released a long time ago for PC and Xbox) with just higher resolution to the PS3? that ID has a presence on the PS3 platform? i don't know about you, but i would called it a cruel joke, and that's exactly what the FFXI port on 360 from SE was.

 

well j.c will be releasing games for ps3. the fact that ps3 is not prone to easily port code on it yet, is the same reason square is not launching anything for ps3 on day1, like carmack.
unless you think that if enix was to release a game at ps3 launch, it would be the next FF.

 

I would say id Software was interested in making money off of a game already developed and considered the platform profitable, and possibly are going through the motions of a port as they become familiar with the hardware so they can develop a stand alone/cross platform product that is released on the platform.

It is all about money. SE put the FF MMO on the 360 in hopes to make money. Why? Either MS paid them or they think the 360 is a viable platform (or both) for that game. And it is not out of the question, and possibly, that this is the testof of waters for other games down the road.

 

this is not what i've asked you, read my last post again, and answer honestly , if you can.

 

However, if you want to play all of the best JRPG's, you may have to pick up a 360. It all depends on the quality of the exclusive franchises.

 

I'd call it a sign that ID WILL be developing on ps3 platform.

p.s. I guess you'll be calling GT:HD "a cruel joke" if it happens?

 

yeah too bad that most people preffer to buy just one console

i wouldn't be so sure about that, when your first game on the platform bombs solid, if not spectacular

yes i would called it just that

 

I don't see how.

SE are a multiplatform developer. The fact they may create games for any platform, XB360 included, is always there. They've suggested as much. FFXIII is PS3 exclusive though, and from the sounds of it is staying that way. Anyone wanting FFXIII has to get a PS3. Will BD and LO and an SE game for XB360 be enough to convince those who've spent $500+ dollars on a PS3 to spend another $200+ on XB360? Or will those titles be enough to get those people to save $300 and just buy the XB360? I dunno. PS3's price-tag helps that argument

I think it's all guesswork until TGS.

I like new IPs too. I can get tired of recycled ideas pretty quick. However, I know I'm in the minority. Most people prefer to stick with what they know. If FFXIII is looking good, and you know from the past it's a great game, it's likely to be a game you're looking forward to rather than any number of unknown and unproven titles. Remember an awful lot of games players don't read reviews. What percentage of potential customers, existing PS2 owners who are looking forward to the next FF, will walk into a Japanese game store, see LO or BD on the shelf, and think 'I know, I'll get an XB360 to play these games 'coz they look great!'? I'm thinking what's more likely in that respect is they see those titles but ignore them, go for FFXIII, then see how much PS3 costs, balk at the price, put FFXIII back, and then maybe nose around for cheaper alternatives!

Well I personally wasn't making that point. My point is "PS3 = FF". For XB360 to have some measure of success, someone needs to convince the Japanese buying public that "(XB360 + LO + BD + other games) > (PS3 + FF + DQ + other games)" Cancelling out "other games" on both sides and factoring down for the current argument, we can roughly say that it needs to be proven that "(XB360 + LO) > (PS3 + FF)".

 

actually its your first port on the platform, of a rather old game,
that requires monthly fees and has painfull installation (>4hrs) and works outside xboxlive network, (does not use the xbox live facilities like voice chat)
that came out when console was brand new and people where not even familiar with the dashboard.

I think that some of the above are factors to put some people in distress, and games in the future might have some things ironed out for the user.


now,
browsing a bit through your link, I saw that the same game also sold around 112.000 copies (+ monthly subscriptions) to the us. (360)

evenmore strangely, I saw that the same title has sold around 171.000 copies in the us (PS2)

I think I must be doing something wrong here, because if these numbers are correct......

bah, I am definately doing something wrong here. please show me the correct figures.

quoted for the future.

 

for the sake of simplification, lets just add one ingredient to your formula:

"(2006 XB360 + BD ) ??? (2008 PS3 + FF)"

"(early 2007 XB360 + LO (+BD) ) ??? (2008 PS3 + FF)"

I mean, show me one gamer who likes to grow older waiting for a game.
plus 360 in japan is not that expensive.

BUT, those two m$ games must be perfect! this is an assumption taken for a fact. else total failure.

 

i'm searching now

 

so the U.S figures are correct? oh. you edited, so I will wait.
it sounds pretty wrong though, the data from that link...

 

i was unable so far to find any hard data on the sales of FFXI, at least for Japan, for some reason VGcharts lists only the third expansion.

 

Those are correct US sales. Remember the PS2 version of FFXI had to be sold with a HDD.

 

in that case, u.s. sales are encouraging. (HDD also required for 360, plus FF occupies almost half of it)

it seems 360 is a possible "no brainer" answer on a hypothetical question "how do we double our sales overseas?"
also more nice statistics could be brought in by the capcom success on 360, so one can only guess...

anyway.. I am really looking forward to see what the three companies have to show at tgs.
I am sure there will be something for everyone there. 8)

 

Well it's truely hard to disagree with you. But from my point of view x360 can be a (quite) sucesfull console if japanese gamers start to think about x360 as a second console IMO (honestly i dont think they will trade FF and DQ + all rest for BD and LO) . But what about wii??? PS3 +X360 + Wii that's a lot of money.I think they will chose Ps3 + Wii.

 

imo, doesn't quite get any more simpler than that.

 

well the right to make choices is a fundamental right for people.
I see no reason to challenge that. nobody should.

I wish I knew what the japanese gamers will choose in the future. that way I could contribute something that nobody else could. but I dont.
what I understand though, is that this time there might be many more reasons for japan to get an m$ console.

and you know what? my personal opinion is that they are a bit unfair on 360, 'cause its a very good system (I mentioned prejudism on my previous posts), but since I'm not big Bill, I dont really care.
what I do care, is to have some fun when I use my time to play a game, and on this I am very well covered.
if m$ craving for japan market produces some GREAT games for me, then I'm just all-in for japan!
if my friend Slay on the other hand, thinks that its a death sin to touch a 360 gamepad, no matter what gaming experience he's losing, then power to him, too!