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chaphack said:Go read his dreamy dreams during PS2 launch. Connected this universal that. Online this distribution that. Broadband lifestyle this Sonet that. Server this workstation that blah blah blah.
Me sure you sure about that infamous hohohaha crap spewed by Mr KK back then.
In the end, PS2 = game console.
and again, i think your personal expectations pre-ps2 launch were so high that now u can only be disappointed from anything Sony-produced.
in the end, PS2 IS online. with better online games than the competition IMO.
The "Workstation Toy Story graphics thing" was obviously blown out of proportion by fanbois on the internet. And it's not like MS didn't go that far on pre-Xbox launch....
ONE EXAMPLE FOR J00000!!!!!
If you will....
Sony Computer Entertainment Inc today made public plans to stage the PlayStation 2 as the hub for Internet-based distribution of digital content by the year 2001. But it's not just distribution. Sony has plans for downloading game content on the Net, establishing a transation system for purchases, and future peripherals, such as hard-discs and network adaptors.
Sony plans on enable gamers the ability to use broadband networks to download game software from existing and growing PS and PS2 libraries, a selling tactic that eliminates the traditional retailer position. Foreseeing broadband networks becoming more mainstream in the next two years, Sony plans to channel digital software to PS2 owners and enable them to store that data on hard-disc drives "to be provided by Sony Computer Entertainment." What does this mean? Fot those alreaedy savy enough, it's plain to see, either the PS2 already has a storage device inside it or a planned peripheral will eventually hit retail stands.
To round off the business equation in its favor, Sony has plans to develop a foolproof electronic transaction system that provides gamers with authentication and encryption technology, most likely via the new 8 MB Memory Cards, which are planned to have more uses than just saving games. These new cards will act as keys to your data, specialized to your own card. Finally, Sony in the year 2001 will include a PS2 expansion module as a network adaptor (PC card interface) and establish anm online distribution server.
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/072/072962p1.html
Yes, i imagined all that up...
If you will....
Sony Computer Entertainment Inc today made public plans to stage the PlayStation 2 as the hub for Internet-based distribution of digital content by the year 2001. But it's not just distribution. Sony has plans for downloading game content on the Net, establishing a transation system for purchases, and future peripherals, such as hard-discs and network adaptors.
Sony plans on enable gamers the ability to use broadband networks to download game software from existing and growing PS and PS2 libraries, a selling tactic that eliminates the traditional retailer position. Foreseeing broadband networks becoming more mainstream in the next two years, Sony plans to channel digital software to PS2 owners and enable them to store that data on hard-disc drives "to be provided by Sony Computer Entertainment." What does this mean? Fot those alreaedy savy enough, it's plain to see, either the PS2 already has a storage device inside it or a planned peripheral will eventually hit retail stands.
To round off the business equation in its favor, Sony has plans to develop a foolproof electronic transaction system that provides gamers with authentication and encryption technology, most likely via the new 8 MB Memory Cards, which are planned to have more uses than just saving games. These new cards will act as keys to your data, specialized to your own card. Finally, Sony in the year 2001 will include a PS2 expansion module as a network adaptor (PC card interface) and establish anm online distribution server.
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/072/072962p1.html
Yes, i imagined all that up...
I agree that the trend for connectivity and built-in (usable) functionality is common now, but at the time it was a more system spinner and practicle to boot. PS2 may have done alot of things wrong but htis certainly isn;t one of them.
I beleive ars might carry a few of those figures from the first 6 monthes if you are interested. as for for the penetration how many PS2 are 'installed' in homes in Japan?
regarding the Dreamy dreamy, your sceptism is justified as (like MS Pc on every desktop in the home strategy) it is long term vision after all.
it would be interesting to look further into this in the next few years.
Im not saying its wrong to have dvd playback. BUT having dvd playback doesnt exactly make PS2 any less of a game console in the endusers' eyes.
Guess i have to repeat again,
"If anything, he(Mr KK) has proven that his team is able to sell game consoles. Thats right, plain jane game console. I shall see how they cope by going one up with a more ambitious setup."
-chap 2003
no it makes it more, consider whom comprises the market now and those whom purchase near the end of the lifecycle. I'm going to include (for the sake of comparison) the benchmark/trend it sets for next gen too.
how many of us almost certainly expect some form of connectivity inclusive in the box, media content and of course games.
heh fixed that for ya
on all counts both parties have contributed alot to making sure the home console evolse into some more than it currently is. the only tangible difference is that Sony reaps today and MS tommorrow.
As said plain jane DVD is passe, all this online blahblah dreams are the real challenge. Totally different ballpack if you can see.
Can Sony succeed the dreamy dreams with PS3? They flopped the last time. Im skeptical. Yeay, it takes time, but i aint playing my money yet, seeing that Sony isnt the only guy around.
Find me where MS gone dreamy dreams(like my SCEI post above with IGN links) with Xbox. Last i heard Xbox = primarily game console.
Can Sony succeed the dreamy dreams with PS3? They flopped the last time. Im skeptical. Yeay, it takes time, but i aint playing my money yet, seeing that Sony isnt the only guy around.
Thanks but no thanks.
Find me where MS gone dreamy dreams(like my SCEI post above with IGN links) with Xbox. Last i heard Xbox = primarily game console.
that does not reduce it inportance at the time not the effects it procured till today Chap. and it's the same ballpark only much much longer.
they failed to implement, it's not the same as a flop (yeah I know I'm picky )
your kidding right? this isn't about what MS PR says they are going to do (I'm not here for a dissing match), but the long term business model they are trying to push. Live reaps the benefits of feature by 2006 I reckon. and digital media is pushed graduallly into the home all with MS/Sony controlling some form the gateway en route. this isn't the PC in your home (which MS has in the bag naturally) rather the media centre in the home.
it probably most inportant to realise that the only one not pushing this model of itegration/infiltration is Nintendo (unless you want to count FF:CC).
edit: sorry the only other point I want to elaborate on is that you missed the point I was inferring with my little edit above. a long term vision is exactly that, long term. in the meantime good decisions can turn out as disatster and bad ones lifesavers in hindsight. that's why hey call it Vision.
JF_Aidan_Pryde said:
Off topic:
To intellectualize one must not have his mind distracted by the thought of how to survive tomorrow...
But I fear we're getting off topic here, so let's continue the dicussion with pm...
On topic:
Don't get me wrong, KK certainly know his tech and has technical visons, but all this sensationalizing of every word he drops is getting on my nerves:
It reminds me somehow of the 50ies:
Some scientist says nuclear power will be very important in the next 50 years and people start getting all crazy and imaging that by the year 2000 everyone will have a nuclear fission reactor powering one's home. One's car will run on nuclear power. Yeah and don't forget the robot babysitting the little children.
Or 1870 when an astronomer discovered a single (!) molecule cyanide in a comet, and whole Europe and America went berserk when the next comet came close to the Earth. People in London hid in their cellars, Russians stood on the roof of their houses for several (!) days resulting in deaths due to freezing...
So for heaven's sake, KK knows his job, he knows where he wants to go technically, he also knows about human ressources (his engineers and their skills), but he's not the saviour of mankind...
i would say above all that, Sony as a whole sure know what Marketing is....
london-boy said:i would say above all that, Sony as a whole sure know what Marketing is....
Yes definitely. Calling things Emotion Engine or pursuing interesting concepts that intrigues people and encourages them to speculate... I guess we all like predicting / specs guessing ...
notAfanB,
sorry bud, the difference and difficulties between plain old dvd playback and online whachababa crap is way too big for me.
and not, im not kidding. at least MS did not go crap on Xbox online whacababa. no big promise on crazy revolutions whatever. will Xb2/3/4 be a home server? possible, yes, no. Thats for the future. BUT the fact still stands that they didnt rocket dreamy dreams skyhigh and Xbox still hype as/sold as a game console. very much unlike KK stuff, hype as something BIG, yet sold as yet anothr game console.
so give credit when its due man...
sorry bud, the difference and difficulties between plain old dvd playback and online whachababa crap is way too big for me.
and not, im not kidding. at least MS did not go crap on Xbox online whacababa. no big promise on crazy revolutions whatever. will Xb2/3/4 be a home server? possible, yes, no. Thats for the future. BUT the fact still stands that they didnt rocket dreamy dreams skyhigh and Xbox still hype as/sold as a game console. very much unlike KK stuff, hype as something BIG, yet sold as yet anothr game console.
so give credit when its due man...
Megadrive1988
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KK is the friggen antichrist
Kutaragi Ken is a visionary. He sure loves technology and he sure loves to talk about it. He aims high and tries to get the most out of it ... I'm sure many people at Sony break into cold sweat, when he opens his mouth to share his thoughts with those, who don't have to make them into reality, but never the less: he is pushing everyone hard ... to shape the future. That is positiv and everybody should give him some credit for it, because his way also pushes the industry ... or does any of you nay-sayers really believe the X-Box would be the same piece of high-sponsored, over-engineered hardware it is today, if there never have been a PS1 or PS2 in the first place?
We wouldnt know.
Will a PS2 be a PS2 if aint no DC/N64? Or PS1 a PS1 if aint no SNES/MD/Saturn? Last i know, PS2 hardware aint pushing anything "highly engineered" nor anything "special". Seems very much like yet another game console. Sure it has DVD playback....then again the 18mths older 199 DC had built in modem + 4 controller ports..Good polygons it has but textures/IQ are suspect. You still pretty much play games with a PS2.
While SCEI did well to break the age old distributing methods of Nintendo/Sega, and well, gets an 'A' for selling their wares "cool" to a wider audience, else those, nothing extra-ordinary about KK and his team. Lotsa dreamy talks though.
Sorry. Too much KK worshipping around.
randycat99
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Actually, I've played more DVD's than games on my PS2 as of late (past couple of months). It was also my first DVD player (and still only DVD player). (OK, there was my computer that played DVD's, but I didn't start viewing DVD's regularly until my PS2 came along) I'm sure my experience is not completely isolated...
So to balance out Chap's erratic view, I offer that PS2 has accomplished everything I had imagined for it. I got my money's worth. It was a raging success, not a flop. So there you go- it's all a matter of perspective.
So to balance out Chap's erratic view, I offer that PS2 has accomplished everything I had imagined for it. I got my money's worth. It was a raging success, not a flop. So there you go- it's all a matter of perspective.
Its not a matter of perpective, neither is it the DVD thing, nor my twisted expectations.
Once again,
"Sony Computer Entertainment Inc today made public plans to stage the PlayStation 2 as the hub for Internet-based distribution of digital content by the year 2001"
Scroll up if you wanna read more. You need not put yourself on the line to defend PS2 to death.
randycat99
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I never held my breath on that. Apparently you did (and now you are unable to let it go). I got more than reasonable use out of my purchase in the meantime. Perspective
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