Kutaragi movin' on up; Blue Ray conf.

[Vince]

BETA

Exactly, it would have been like Sony defining the Beta specs and then using a BETA related spec instead of the one that got approval (or in other cases, little).

I think this is obvious.

 

[Paul]

Im sure we can agree that your average PS3 game won't fit on a DVD and Sony will have to use Blu-ray for PS3, or something very similar.

 

[jvd]

Anyone know what the cost of this is ? Also why are they trying to kill dvd so quickly ? I would have expected it to be around till at least 215.
Heh i wonder how much this ps3 is going to cost sony to make .

 

[chaphack]

299 for PS3 + CELL + BLuray, in 2005? Technology today moves fast, but not that fast. Bluray is like, just introduced months ago.

More like 499 imho. I think Sony will have 2 version of PS3, games only(299) and settop box(499).

Looking at current $ony "quality" PS2, will anyone really want their brand new state of the art PS3, to read games, movies, music and do lots of rewriting?

 

[Vince]

299 for PS3 + CELL + BLuray, in 2005? Technology today moves fast, but not that fast. Bluray is like, just introduced months ago.

More like 499 imho. I think Sony will have 2 version of PS3, games only(299) and settop box(499).

Looking at current $ony "quality" PS2, will anyone really want their brand new state of the art PS3, to read games, movies, music and do lots of rewriting?

Chap, hush - thanks bud. I'm merely protecting you from looking dumb in two years time, you can thank me later.

 

[jvd]

299 for PS3 + CELL + BLuray, in 2005? Technology today moves fast, but not that fast. Bluray is like, just introduced months ago.

More like 499 imho. I think Sony will have 2 version of PS3, games only(299) and settop box(499).

Looking at current $ony "quality" PS2, will anyone really want their brand new state of the art PS3, to read games, movies, music and do lots of rewriting?

well my ps2 displayed the same quality pics as my xbox. The ps2 laser died though. On two of my ps2s. But sony dvd players suck to begin with (my fathers 700 dollar dvd play doesn't work and sony wouldn't fix it cause it ws 6 months old )

 

[ChryZ]

Anyone know what the cost of this is ?

Sony will release a standalone player this month , SONY BDZ-S77 ( http://www.sony.jp/products/Consumer/BD/ ), price : 450.000Yen = 3.800 US$.

14KG of A/V hardware, I am pretty sure the PS3 will be powerful enough to handle hdtv video quit nicely, even if it's done by some software solution. Guess it will all come down to how much the bare drive+optic will cost.

Also why are they trying to kill dvd so quickly ?

Did the DVD already killed VHS? It's more a matter of choice ...

 

[London Geezer]

well the DVD-VHS thing is a lot different from BlueRay-DVD simply because Blue Ray players are compatible with DVD's.... hell, they are compatible with pretty much every disc-based format... apart from vinyl


so it would be more like the transition between CD and DVD. the DVD has not killed the CD. therefore it will take looooooooong for Blue Ray to kill the DVD.... ESPECIALLY HERE IN EUROPE.............

 

[Nick Laslett]

You have to think of Blu-Ray DVD as an extension to DVD. Like the relationship S-VHS had with VHS and Hi8 had with Video 8.

Blu-Ray DVD is DVD but better. Not a replacement. But an improvement.

What Blu-Ray DVD really replaces is DVD Recorders in the home. Before DVD Recorders receive mass-market adoption the Blu-Ray DVD will be on the market.

I don't see Blu-Ray DVD being marketed as a whole new format. Because it is backwards compatible it does not need to eradicate DVD. The two can happily co-exist.

What we have got is a great Holy format war between the PC based flavour of blue Laser technology (Warner, Microsoft, Toshiba, Hitachi is this right?) and the Blu-Ray DVD camp (Sony, Philips, Panasonic is this right?).

Sony are the king of the format war. They learned a hard less with Betamax and they will not make the same mistake again. This is why they own Colmbia Pictures and Sony Music nee CBS.

Availability of desirable Software dictates the success of any given format.

Of course, you all already know this.

 

[chaphack]

Chap, hush - thanks bud. I'm merely protecting you from looking dumb in two years time, you can thank me later.

Dont need to protect me, just voicing my opinions. I think you guys are expecting too much from Sony.

Looking back at PS2, apart from the average non-progressive DVD playback and partial backward compatibility(several peripherals to be exact) , Sony did not deliver the wow!

First off Lazy8's fave, there was no standard 480p and built in modem, a step back from DC.

Secondly we have Sony excellent QC hardware. Such as the notorious laser lens crapping out thing, the cheap plasticky DS2.

Thirdly, what happened to Sony BB Live on Demand talk? When PS2 was first announced, Sony had tons o powerpoint proclaiming how it will revolutionize Home Entertainment. 3 years on, we only see bits and pieces of online games. Where is my HDD? When can i surf AOL and download movies to view on RealPlayer? Huh? Huh?

Fourth, Sony decides to rip people off with the measly 8mb memcard, when they own a nifty gadget known as Memory Stick. See how generous they are?

 

[chaphack]

I really dont see how Sony will sell PS3 at 299, that includes Bluray and all, to be launched 2 years from now.

BLuray might make it to PS3, but definitely at some compromise. It is either the price or Sony will have 2 version of PS3, ala GC and Q.

I really want them to improve on the QC of their Playstation. What is worse than the complicated PC, is a costly HT settop box that needs to be replace every 2 years.

 

[London Geezer]

Chap, hush - thanks bud. I'm merely protecting you from looking dumb in two years time, you can thank me later.

Dont need to protect me, just voicing my opinions. I think you guys are expecting too much from Sony.

Looking back at PS2, apart from the average non-progressive DVD playback and partial backward compatibility(several peripherals to be exact) , Sony did not deliver the wow!

First off Lazy8's fave, there was no standard 480p and built in modem, a step back from DC.

Secondly we have Sony excellent QC hardware. Such as the notorious laser lens crapping out thing, the cheap plasticky DS2.

Thirdly, what happened to Sony BB Live on Demand talk? When PS2 was first announced, Sony had tons o powerpoint proclaiming how it will revolutionize Home Entertainment. 3 years on, we only see bits and pieces of online games. Where is my HDD? When can i surf AOL and download movies to view on RealPlayer? Huh? Huh?

Fourth, Sony decides to rip people off with the measly 8mb memcard, when they own a nifty gadget known as Memory Stick. See how generous they are?

oh god....

chap tell me of any £300 progressive scan DVD players RELEASED IN 2000...... did u even know what pro-scan was back then???

everything else has actually some truth in it... apart from the 480p thing, we ARE seeing more and more 480p games. in europe there are NO 480p games for xbox and GC so i think PS2 wins here...

 

[chaphack]

chap tell me of any £300 progressive scan DVD players RELEASED IN 2000...... did u even know what pro-scan was back then???

The point i want to make is that, Sony will not deliver more than what is needed.

Look at it this way, if Sony wants PS3 to be the center of everything, then they have to make it a quality product. No cheapass cutbacks or poor performance. You are not going to sell credibility if PS3 is another below par Bluray player that breaks down easily.

apart from the 480p thing, we ARE seeing more and more 480p games. in europe there are NO 480p games for xbox and GC so i think PS2 wins here...

More and more? I dont think so. Sorry to here Euro got screwed again.
The point again, is an acceptable level of standard.

 

[marconelly!]

Secondly we have Sony excellent QC hardware. Such as the notorious laser lens crapping out thing, the cheap plasticky DS2.

How many times has PS2 crapped on you? If it never has, why do you even care? Besides, you are pulling the whole issue from thin air and you know it, as you don't have any proof to it. (not to mention that there's absolutely nothing cheap about the DS2, which is an excelent controller, and best overall of the three in this gen, IMO of course).

Fourth, Sony decides to rip people off with the measly 8mb memcard, when they own a nifty gadget known as Memory Stick. See how generous they are?

So, how about Nintendo, then? Poor them, they don't have any other memory medium so they have to overcharge for a card that is of much less capacity than 8MB. Point is, they are all making money on extra hardware like that, because they don't make much (if at all) on console itself.

 

[London Geezer]

chap tell me of any £300 progressive scan DVD players RELEASED IN 2000...... did u even know what pro-scan was back then???

The point i want to make is that, Sony will not deliver more than what is needed.

u haven't answered my question...

 

[chaphack]

How many times has PS2 crapped on you? If it never has, why do you even care? Besides, you are pulling the whole issue from thin air and you know it, as you don't have any proof to it. (not to mention that there's absolutely nothing cheap about the DS2, which is an excelent controller, and best overall of the three in this gen, IMO of course).

1 year+, still running but since i am not too heavy into PS2 gaming nowadays.
Shinji Mikami knew that. I heard many stories on net forums whereby PS2 crap out on gamers.
DS2 is fine, but trying going back to original PS1 controller or Xbox controller. They are waaay more hardy than DS2. That is what i meant by cheap DS2. Pound away on it too often and it wears down faster than the rest.

So, how about Nintendo, then? Poor them, they don't have any other memory medium so they have to overcharge for a card that is of much less capacity than 8MB. Point is, they are all making money on extra hardware like that, because they don't make much (if at all) on console itself.

Nintendo is into games, they dont make big claims of revolutionary blah blah blah. Since Sony said no to Memsticks, im skeptical about CELL + Bluray + ton ol features, for a cheapo price.

u haven't answered my question...

o0ps, guess there were no cheap pro-scan players back then. But you have to admit PS2 dvd playback is below par.

 

[London Geezer]

How many times has PS2 crapped on you? If it never has, why do you even care? Besides, you are pulling the whole issue from thin air and you know it, as you don't have any proof to it. (not to mention that there's absolutely nothing cheap about the DS2, which is an excelent controller, and best overall of the three in this gen, IMO of course).

1 year+, still running but since i am not too heavy into PS2 gaming nowadays.
Shinji Mikami knew that. I heard many stories on net forums whereby PS2 crap out on gamers.
DS2 is fine, but trying going back to original PS1 controller or Xbox controller. They are waaay more hardy than DS2. That is what i meant by cheap DS2. Pound away on it too often and it wears down faster than the rest.

So, how about Nintendo, then? Poor them, they don't have any other memory medium so they have to overcharge for a card that is of much less capacity than 8MB. Point is, they are all making money on extra hardware like that, because they don't make much (if at all) on console itself.

Nintendo is into games, they dont make big claims of revolutionary blah blah blah. Since Sony said no to Memsticks, im skeptical about CELL + Bluray + ton ol features, for a cheapo price.

u haven't answered my question...

o0ps, guess there were no cheap pro-scan players back then. But you have to admit PS2 dvd playback is below par.

ps2 DVD playback is just fine for people who can't be bothered to buy a proper DVD player. and since it is a bonus thrown into a box that also plays games and CD's and all that crap i think it's good enough....

The Blue Ray hardware in the PS3 will not be the high end part, it will just be enough to introduce it to people who do not have a stand alone player, just like PS2 did for DVD.

 

[chaphack]

The Blue Ray hardware in the PS3 will not be the high end part, it will just be enough to introduce it to people who do not have a stand alone player, just like PS2 did for DVD.

Firstly, Bluray is waaaaay too expensive for normal consumers.

Can anyone tell me how Sony expect the price to drop drastic within 2 years? I know nothing about economics, but for such a drop, does it mean Sony and Blurayers will have to sell tons of players and software or to make some startling hardware discovery?

Honestly speaking, that is not going to happen overnight. Casual consumers are slowass in upgrading.

Secondly, if you follow all the PS3 hype, you will know that PS3 is anything BUT introductary. It is Kutargi's dream machine afterall , a system that will connect everything in your home and to Sony Net.

A cheapass quality PS3 will severly undermind his effort to push it as a full flegded settop box. The best way out, as i have said, is to have 2 PS3!

 

[London Geezer]

The Blue Ray hardware in the PS3 will not be the high end part, it will just be enough to introduce it to people who do not have a stand alone player, just like PS2 did for DVD.

Firstly, Bluray is waaaaay too expensive for normal consumers.

Can anyone tell me how Sony expect the price to drop drastic within 2 years? I know nothing about economics, but for such a drop, does it mean Sony and Blurayers will have to sell tons of players and software or to make some startling hardware discovery?

Honestly speaking, that is not going to happen overnight. Casual consumers are slowass in upgrading.

Secondly, if you follow all the PS3 hype, you will know that PS3 is anything BUT introductary. It is Kutargi's dream machine afterall , a system that will connect everything in your home and to Sony Net.

A cheapass quality PS3 will severly undermind his effort to push it as a full flegded settop box. The best way out, as i have said, is to have 2 PS3!

Whether the price will or will not drop is just a matter of time. DVD players were very expensive not long before PS2 was introduced. and u're talking about PS2 as if it was a dvd player... it is NOT a dvd player. it is a console which also happens to play DVD's...

PS3 does not need to be a high end Blue Ray player simply because it will be good enough as a high end DVD player which HAPPENS to be Blue ray compatible.

u talk about buying the hype and whatever, but it seems like u r the one buying into the PS3 hype...

 

[chaphack]

DVD players were very expensive not long before PS2 was introduced

http://www.disctronics.co.uk/technology/dvdintro/dvd_intro.htm
A quick check at google shows that DVD has a more stable history than Bluray. Bluray standard is still in the open right now i htink

it is NOT a dvd player. it is a console which also happens to play DVD's...

I knew that.

PS3 does not need to be a high end Blue Ray player simply because it will be good enough as a high end DVD player which HAPPENS to be Blue ray compatible.

Right. Maybe it will just playback bluray disc rather than do all that nifty recording and editing features. But Pana will be hurt bad.

u talk about buying the hype and whatever, but it seems like u r the one buying into the PS3 hype...

Me? nyah! Nope! UMpossible! NEVAR! BzzzzT! u gotta be j/K!