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all i know is, my mother is an idiot.
Quitch said:What a bunch of crap
Chalnoth said:IQ tests try to test the capacity to think logically. There really isn't any way to measure "intelligence," which is supposed to be some nebulous quantity that identifies how able a person's mind is. They typically have the connotation that intelligence is something you are born with, not something you learn.
This is patently false. Logical thinking is most certainly learnable. And, what's more, depending upon your field of study you may or may not have encountered something related to some of the questions on an IQ test before. For example, I know that since I started studying physics in earnest, my IQ score has increased significantly (since basically all that you do in physics classes is hone your logical thinking).
Rys said:I had an IQ of 157 at one bit, when I was younger, and I'm a complete dipshit. I wouldn't put too much stock in the tests, if any at all. And I have never come across a single situation in my adult life that's required me to state my IQ to achieve something I wouldn't have otherwise.
Now excuse me, I'm off to eat some more crayons.
I think that's based on a rather wrong assumption about intelligence. It is more than possible to learn how to think logically, and it is even possible to learn how to learn (basically, there are effective learning strategies, and ineffective ones).Fox5 said:Your IQ isn't supposed to change,
Try the one at www.highiqsociety.com if you're curious. Seems to me they've got a nice one.Blitzkrieg said:You sound far too intelligent to be anywhere near normal levels. Normal being 90-110 for me.
The average person is a fkn retard. I would like to take a proper IQ test but they eliminated them in this country, and I dont know or think that the online ones are very accurate.
Chalnoth said:I think that's based on a rather wrong assumption about intelligence. It is more than possible to learn how to think logically, and it is even possible to learn how to learn (basically, there are effective learning strategies, and ineffective ones).
My basic belief when it comes to learning is that there is no way that we genetically evolved the capacity for things like higher math and logical deduction. These things have evolved through society in a way that is so far removed from the evolutionary pressures of the natural environment that it doesn't make sense to have genetics come close to explaining the dramatic discrepancies in how well people do in math and science.
So I claim that the reason why I can now score very high on IQ tests has much more to do with my environment than my genetic makeup. I can even point back to specific events in my early childhood that helped to mold my way of thinking. For example, my mother taught me basic math before I even entered school, and in such a way that I never had to memorize my times tables.
As such I was started early in life with the idea to think instead of memorize. Over time I have honed this practice to every subject taught in school, for my own interests: I didn't want to do homework or study, and since most exams were multiple choice, I could usually think my way to the answer with only a fragment of knowledge remembered from class. This had the negative effect of making it very hard to motivate myself to work, but the positive effect of honing my analytical reasoning skills, which in turn meant that I always did well on IQ tests.
Today, I've spent the past four and a half years doing almost nothing but physics (when it comes to work....), which in turn has honed my analytical reasoning to levels higher than ever before, and as such I do even better at IQ tests.
Ali said:About 15 years ago I did two years of Psycology at university, so some of what Im about to say might be wrong due to my lack of memory, but I think:
IQ tests by definition have to be done to groups of people of similar background/scociety (such as a group of 100 first year students all from the same country). The results are then scaled to make 100 the average, and 180 the highest. Im pretty sure about the 180 thing, but it was a long time ago.
Each IQ test has to be statisticly significant to be a real IQ test. If you only test 1 person, then its rubbish, if you only test 20 people its probably rubbish.
There was some ratio of types of questions. Something like 20% logic, 20% math, 20% word, 20% spacial etc. I cant remember the %ages now.
Your IQ should never change over your lifetime, as the test should be taken with a group of your peers, so if you learn more logic, so do your peers, and the scaling will bring you back to the same score.
Iq tests on-line will never work, as you will have people from New Zealand, England, the US, France, etc taking the same test. Once the whole world has been tested it might be usefull, but then the differences in culture will bugger things up.
Saying that, Ive had to sit IQ tests for job interviews in the past, and I can see the point there. If you have say 50 people applying for one job you can set an IQ test biased towards your companies culture and rank your potential employees. Since other factors such as personality, apperance, work ethic etc come into picking the perfect employee its not the only test you should do, but can make a difference. Say one person scored 60, and one 160 and everything else is equal, then the person with 160 should get the job. That same person might only score 110 in a less biased test though.
Ali