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are we nearing a portable media/games device from MS?

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After getting trounced for four years in the digital music business by Apple Computer (AAPL), Microsoft (MSFT) finally seems poised to do something about it. BusinessWeek has learned that the software giant is working on plans to develop its own portable digital media device to rival the iPod, rather than just providing technology to partners. Microsoft hasn't decided if it will go ahead. But sources inside the company and at its partners say Microsoft has put together a team that's considering the business end of such an initiative.

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What would it look like? Xbox boss Peter Moore says any Microsoft media device would have to leverage the company's most significant consumer strength, video gaming. "It can't just be our version of the iPod," says Moore, who nonetheless would not confirm that Microsoft is considering making such a device. So in addition to playing music and videos, a Microsoft device would include games. Microsoft would probably use the Xbox brand to market the gadget. "I think the brand is an opportunity," Moore says.

True, perhaps, but also risky. If the new device comes with the Xbox brand, most consumers will view it as a game player, like Sony's (SNE) PlayStation Portable. That might limit its appeal, since the portable gaming market is much smaller than the one for digital media.

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a sleek and small device, that plays music, movies and games.. could be XboxLive-arcade games...
 
I don't know why you're including iPod in the title...but I digress, Microsoft probably wont release it until the onset of new portables, the market is too saturated at the moment and I don't think they could compete against the rising install-bases of the NDS/PSP.

Wasn't there old rumours that the Xbox 2 HDD was going to be a portable music/game player? Shame that didn't work out :(
 
I think MS would have a hard time conquering both the music and gaming market with a device that does both.

People don't like large music players as witnessed by the success of the ipod nano and the like, and people don't like microscopic gaming devices as witnessed by the implosion that was the n-gage. It'd be the worst of two worlds, and landing in an already intensely fought-over marketplace right inbetween nintendo and sony means MS' jack-of-all-trades device would likely get promptly cut down in the crossfire. Xbox label or not.


I'd buy it if it had the right hardware specs, but I'm a techno-geek. Most people aren't like that at all, they care about the actual practicality of a device.
 
What I would love for a MS handheld would be something similar to XBL Arcade, with small games downloadable to an integrated storage. That would be a nice differenciating factor from both NDS and PSP. Oh, and find a way to get dual analog on this thing, if it ever exists.
 
mckmas8808 said:
So is MS going to copy every model that Sony sets?

Oh please, you could say that of every company ever created. Sony will definately "take hints" from MS online model for example, and both will "take hints" from Apple for their portable music/video systems, who "took hints" from the PC industry with regards to their desktop line.

Nothing really original gets created these days, and when it happens, it either bombs or is the new coming of Christ...
 
Corwin_B said:
What I would love for a MS handheld would be something similar to XBL Arcade, with small games downloadable to an integrated storage. That would be a nice differenciating factor from both NDS and PSP. Oh, and find a way to get dual analog on this thing, if it ever exists.


Now that would be pretty cool. But realistically I wouldn't expect a MS portable for a long, long time. If it was planned anytime in the next couple of years, Rare wouldn't be creating DS games right now.
 
Hardknock said:
Now that would be pretty cool. But realistically I wouldn't expect a MS portable for a long, long time. If it was planned anytime in the next couple of years, Rare wouldn't be creating DS games right now.

Well i haven't bought any of the portables simply because my pockets are already full of crap. I always have my mobile and my wallet with me, plus most times my MP3 player. Anything else would just have no place on me.

What i would LOVE is something that joins the mobile, the MP3 player (as long as it's as good as my Sony HD5 in terms of quality of sound) and gaming. Now that would be great. The thing would be quite big though, if only for the screen needed for gaming, so i'm not sure that would even work. Still, i'd consider buying it a lot more than i considered PSP or DS or all others.

Lately, whenever i feel like it, i just take out my mobile and play Tetris on it (perfect conversion) which is just so addictive it satisfies my gaming needs more than enough for the time i play it (no longer than 20 mins at a time)...
 
davepermen said:
my mobile and my mp3 player fit happily together in the mobile :D having a sony erricson "walkman" handy :D

I do like my 20GB though... Even a 8GB Memory stick - which would cost me a LOT - won't be enough for me...
 
london-boy said:
Oh please, you could say that of every company ever created. Sony will definately "take hints" from MS online model for example, and both will "take hints" from Apple for their portable music/video systems, who "took hints" from the PC industry with regards to their desktop line.

Nothing really original gets created these days, and when it happens, it either bombs or is the new coming of Christ...

I guess it pisses me off when it seems like MS (Peter Moore anyway) is suggesting a handheld is coming, but it doesn't feel real to me. It seems like they would be going through the motions. You know doing it just be everybody else is.

Kinda like the HD-DVD add-on fiasco. Now I know it's not directly related but lately it just seems like MS is just doing somethings just to make sure the boxes are checked. To me why even remotely focus on a handheld right now when you still have hundreds of miles to go in the console market?

Every knows how hard it has been for Sony to balance their PS2, PSP, and PS3 news and agenda so far (but they are doing good so far), so for me it would be a honest question of how and why?

How would they add a handheld to the MS/Xbox family and why? Why now (i.e. within the next few years)? I don't think I'm asking any unreasonable questions or making any unreasonable statements here.
 
mckmas8808 said:
I guess it pisses me off when it seems like MS (Peter Moore anyway) is suggesting a handheld is coming, but it doesn't feel real to me. It seems like they would be going through the motions. You know doing it just be everybody else is.

Kinda like the HD-DVD add-on fiasco. Now I know it's not directly related but lately it just seems like MS is just doing somethings just to make sure the boxes are checked. To me why even remotely focus on a handheld right now when you still have hundreds of miles to go in the console market?

Every knows how hard it has been for Sony to balance their PS2, PSP, and PS3 news and agenda so far (but they are doing good so far), so for me it would be a honest question of how and why?

How would they add a handheld to the MS/Xbox family and why? Why now (i.e. within the next few years)? I don't think I'm asking any unreasonable questions or making any unreasonable statements here.

Did you not read that the main reason for this is to take on Apple and the iPod? Stop thinking everything is about Sony.
 
Hardknock said:
Did you not read that the main reason for this is to take on Apple and the iPod? Stop thinking everything is about Sony.

I can see MS using this to take on Apple but not the iPod. IMO the inclusion of games is going to mean people are going to see it as more of a rival to the PSP than the iPod, unless MS finds some other angle to market it.
 
Hardknock said:
Did you not read that the main reason for this is to take on Apple and the iPod? Stop thinking everything is about Sony.

To me it seemed to be 70% Apple aimed and 30% Sony aimed. Which causes a huge problem. It's a huge problem because do you shink the device to make it more MP3 friendly and sacafice the screensize or do you make it bigger for games and lose MP3 mobility?
 
Microsoft would probably be better suited to develop for NDS in the short-term, and maybe launch a portable in a few years.

A polished, well-rounded, jack-of-all-trades portable with lots of dev support. Save that energy and spend it in one killer device.
 
MS ought to be best served providing secure, reliable OS's for the other portable developers. That's how they make their money on the PC space. In the hardware space they only lose money. Why would they expect that to be different with a handheld?
 
I wonder how much this is related.

I'm getting increasing input to suggest that ATI's next handheld part is effecily a "mini-Xenos". With 360 and XNA this would make it an ideal candidate for an MS handheld device as the graphics elements could be scaled down fairly effectively.
 
How would Xenos scale? Less ALU's per shader unit? Like 4 or 6 or 8 instead of 16. And 1 or 2 MB eDRAM? They could lose the scaling overhead and have everything fit in the buffer along with US which should be very efficient for mobiles. Or, would they turn it into more of a TBDR system?
 
Easiest way of scaling ALU performance is by adding/removing shader arrays, however altering the number of ALU's per arry can also be achieved (this would probably occur in powers of 2 though). I don't what they are doing on the eDRAM size, but its going to be targetted towards current requirements - if they are looking at 3G and other handhelds then 640x480 res target would be a minimum, and I wouldn't be surprised to see 800x600 support being needed.
 
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