info about Trident's XP4

[jpeter]

http://news.com.com/2100-1040-945215.html?tag=cd_mh

 

[DeathKnight]

Trident?

 

[no_way]

http://www6.tomshardware.com/business/02q2/020417/winhec11-10.html

Yea... i think its actually bigger contender for "the value" dx8 chip than ATI r9000 .. if it lives up to the claims, that is.

For the XP4, Trident claims 80% of the performance of a GeForce4 Ti 4600

 

[Zap]

...

yeah, i had a trident once...
it could barely render a jpeg

 

[alexsok]

http://www6.tomshardware.com/business/02q2/020417/winhec11-10.html

Yea... i think its actually bigger contender for "the value" dx8 chip than ATI r9000 .. if it lives up to the claims, that is.

For the XP4, Trident claims 80% of the performance of a GeForce4 Ti 4600

80% of the perfomance??

I say NO WAY!

 

[no_way]

i sense a lot of disbelief in you, young hacker... the force is strong within Trident ..
Actually im kinda wondering where are all the news? Id say its much bigger release than KyroIISE.
It sound very exciting to me, 30M transisttors and DX8.1 class chip out of the blue?? a tiler ?
Perhaps B3D can do a tech preview or at least Q&A round with Trident ?

 

[demalion]

It was mentioned here a while ago, I believe. Originaly targetted for laptops, and the speculation (which seems to have been validated) that it was naturally destined for the desktop as well.

 

[DemoCoder]

It's a tiler, the claims could be true. If so, time to buy trident stock.

 

[no_way]

ahem .. found the original thread ..
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=712

still .. what does Trident's mentioned "next month" release date mean ?
Im all for sub 100$ pixel shader-capable gfx .. bring em to mainstream.
If Xabre, XP4 and R9000 become widely available at such prices .. where does this leave NVidia and their 200+$ monster chips ?

 

[KnightBreed]

Sorry for bringing this thread back from the dead, but there's another article at EEtimes about the Trident chip with some more information.

http://www.eetimes.com/semi/news/OEG20020729S0032

 

[Tahir2]

This will be a great example of elegance over brute force.. or more likely bad crappy drivers making a really interesting and possibly groundbreaking product just a small player in the big picture.

I hope they get a lot of OEM wins.

 

[no_way]

They are made in a 0.13-micron process at United Microelectronic Corp. and are available now in prices ranging from about $31 to $40 each in quantity.

Available where? Have any board makers announced any products yet?
Where are previews done with reference boards ?

 

[Randell]

Im all for sub 100$ pixel shader-capable gfx .. bring em to mainstream.
If Xabre, XP4 and R9000 become widely available at such prices .. where does this leave NVidia and their 200+$ monster chips ?

If you shop around you can get a Gf3Ti200 for around $100, and I'm sure the Ti4200 is sub $200 maybe even $150 (I'm UK based so not sure about that).

I'm pretty certain that nVidia have plans for the value market beyond the Gf4MX, arent you?

 

[Teasy]

Wow, this is an exciting chip.

4 pixel pipe
300mhz core
DX8.1 compliant
Tile based deferred rendering
350mhz 128bit DDR ram

Either Trident are being very conservative when they say it has 80% the performance of a TI4600 or there version of TBR isn't yet as efficient as PowerVR, or possibly they mean 80% as fast on release with early drivers?

Looking at the specs it should beat up a TI4600 pretty badely in basic rendering (none DX8 stuf, as we have no idea how powerful there vs/ps's are) if:

a: The implimentation of TBR is good.
b: The overall design is good.
c: The drivers are good.

I look forward to seeing more of this chip soon.. hopefully.

 

[RussSchultz]

Of course, we're not positive its 128 pin DDR pipe.

It may be 64 DDR (i.e. equivalent to 128 bit SDR).

 

[Teasy]

In that EE times article it says there will be three versions of this card:

T3:

300mhz core.
upto 256mb of 350mhz 128bit DDR ram.

T2:

250mhz core.
64mb 250mhz 128bit DDR ram

T1:

250mhz core
64mb 250mhz 64bit DDR ram

So if that is correct then we do know that the mid to highend versions of these boards are 128bit DDR (256bit) not 64bit DDR (128bit).

Hmm, maybe when Trident gave the 80% as fast as TI4600 number they were talking about T2 and not T3? Although even T2 (if its not badely designed) should be at least as fast as a TI4600. But I suppose how fast it is compared to TI4600 all comes down to how well the chip is designed and how well they impliment TBR and DX8.1 features. Hopefully we'll see some benches soon.

 

[RussSchultz]

(I believe a Savage2k had a 64 bit pipe using 32 pin DDR)

But, I agree, its probably 128 pin DDR.

 

[Deflection]

Actually im kinda wondering where are all the news? Id say its much bigger release than KyroIISE.
It sound very exciting to me, 30M transisttors and DX8.1 class chip out of the blue?? a tiler ?
Perhaps B3D can do a tech preview or at least Q&A round with Trident ?

That is so true. This certainly is an underdog chip to get behind. It's real and has many exciting features. It may only be Trident but it seems certainly worthy of conversation if indeed it is a 4 pipe 250 MHz+ DX8 class tiler. Maybe B3D can do an interview/review of Trident.

 

[RussSchultz]

I was very excited about SiS XABRE, too.

Hopefully trident will not be that poor quality.

(Hmmm, maybe I can make a rumor about PVR and Trident?)

 

[Ailuros]

No Russ you can't:

Microsoft Corp. pioneered the tiling concept along with a number of graphics companies, including Trident, several years ago, but the so-called Talisman approach proved too complex to be implemented cost effectively.

I wholeheartedly agree though that I first want to see it and then come to conclusions. Same feelings as with Xabre.