LMAO there is no goddamn way Azure is subsidising anything, MS would rather the entire devices division catch fire than risk Cloud Compute by larding it up with leftover XBSX units. I think folks on here have gotten far too excited by the idea that Azure will be stuffed full of XBSX boards, I suspect when we get teardowns of the XBSS we will see that the place XBSX APU rejects go to die is XBSS. To the extent that there will be XBSX boards in Azure data centres it will be for xCloud. For GPU compute and other loads where the XBSX APU might offer advantage the same thing can be achieved with dedicated server hardware that is more suited to the massive rack farms they have and will be thrown in the bin in 2 years anyway. However suitable you think XBSX is for those workloads today MS is already planning for the next two server refreshes so why the hell would they stick a fixed platform in there?
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LMAO there is no goddamn way Azure is subsidising anything, MS would rather the entire devices division catch fire than risk Cloud Compute by larding it up with leftover XBSX units. I think folks on here have gotten far too excited by the idea that Azure will be stuffed full of XBSX boards, I suspect when we get teardowns of the XBSS we will see that the place XBSX APU rejects go to die is XBSS. To the extent that there will be XBSX boards in Azure data centres it will be for xCloud. For GPU compute and other loads where the XBSX APU might offer advantage the same thing can be achieved with dedicated server hardware that is more suited to the massive rack farms they have and will be thrown in the bin in 2 years anyway. However suitable you think XBSX is for those workloads today MS is already planning for the next two server refreshes so why the hell would they stick a fixed platform in there?
They've already shown the internals of the Series S, in enough detail that people have managed to estimate the die size. And no matter how many CUs you disable, A Series X APU won't shrink itself down magically to 190mm^2.
The hazards of commenting before getting through the XBSS tech thread.
I was wrong on the APU, I still hold that the use of these APUs outside of xCloud support will be next to non-existent, it's not a platform that scales over time in the way you want for a data centre. AMD and Intel both have significant improvements to their platforms coming down the line in the next 12 months so both of these APUs will be obsolescent in the data centre for general workloads very quickly.
In case of a fire they probably have some kind of insurance covering for it.
Bundled discounts is something you can't know unfortunately. MS currently spends 1B in datacenter builds each month and they've gone with Epyc processors for that. You add in 2 SoCs and anything else for their surface line, you can extend discounts even if you don't hit huge bulk orders. And yes, there is still the xcloud factor, and it won't be refreshing xcloud hardware until the generation is over. It doesn't make sense to since they'll need it to provide the service. May take them 7 years to get enough chips everywhere to provide xcloud and only the Anaconda chips are being used for Xcloud. We won't see any LH chips up there. They can't serve 4 instances of xbox games. Processing power wise, lots of GPU power on tap for ML instances. I think they will be very good for cheap rental.
edit: as per below, errm sorry @goonergaz. Sadly I just ame back into this thread later thinking there was PS5 news. I didn't even realize I was responding to a PS5 thread. Just woke up and hit refresh.
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I loved the Plant vs Zombies mobile games, that got ported/released on consoles. I never tried the shooters, I just felt that I did not really need another shooter
They've already said it will be put to other uses, so it's not just armchair conjecture.
I can give you a simple example off top of my head where the low latency, xcloud xsx could be used.
Remote apps/desktop which is something new their pushing. It's one of the ways they intend to try to compete with chrome os most probably.
Could run a few virtualised sessions on a single xsx I suspect.
Anyway, it's not all about compute in the cloud, they will have xsx blades, so why let them go unused?
This was planned from the start, it's one of the reasons why they had input from the azure team.
It's not about making use of defective dies, it's about maximising the ROI of the development of xsx.
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So are we back to the CELL business model with XSX? :smile2:
How so?
Wasn't sure if you was joking or not
lol
Perhaps Sony was ahead of the time here with that thinking. Imagine introducing CELL today with the intent of doing huge data processing online. hmm, worth thinking about.
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No serious question. CELL was used in a IBM supercomputer. The CELL architecture was codeveloped with IBM for use in supercomputing.
Yep
Ok, cool wasn't sure.
I start with this base:
- I except when they say they had input from azure
- That XSX cloud will be a thing
- Except when they say they have other uses for them
- Know of their remote app/desktop rollout as an example use case
- XSX has decent ballance of processor and compute for mixed load tasks
- Given that they will be idle otherwise when not serving up games
- Not excotic uarch
- Way to get higher ROI
Guess there's 2 questions (not specifically to you)
- Do you think there was any plan to use them for other work loads
- Regardless, doubt the sucess of it
MS announces Xbox All Access will include a PS5.
https://thehardtimes.net/harddrive/microsoft-announces-xbox-all-access-will-now-include-a-ps5/
https://thehardtimes.net/harddrive/microsoft-announces-xbox-all-access-will-now-include-a-ps5/
’Microsoft will also sell the PS5 as a standalone. They would not reveal the price, but they did confirm it would be less than whatever Sony ends up charging.’
Going to get a Microsoft PlayStation 5 from Microsoft just because. Cheaper so, together with gamepass a nice option. Il also get a hand full of sony games for the entire generation
If you don't buy your Xbox, then you can try to win one from Taco Bell. Every generation they team up for this...
https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/09/10/xbox-and-taco-bell-win-xbox-series-x/
Too bad it's after the pre-order date. I've tried & lost every time before. But since I'm pre-ordering for the first time I have a feeling I might win one. LOL
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https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2020/09/10/xbox-and-taco-bell-win-xbox-series-x/
Too bad it's after the pre-order date. I've tried & lost every time before. But since I'm pre-ordering for the first time I have a feeling I might win one. LOL
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PS5 is going to be faster. It's not going to be that much faster.
I don't think Sony are looking at the relative power of the consoles and making RRP decisions based on that, I think Sony are looking at securing another generation as quickly as possible, locking as many people into a larger PlayStation library of games. And I think they are willing to take an upfront loss to do this.
So PS5 has a faster but smaller SSD. Some of PS5s GDDR6 is faster than some of Series X and some is slower. The CPU is slower. the GPU has less teraflops. I know the GPU comparison is more complicated but the average person isn't going to understand Mark Cerny's "a rising tide raised all boats" metaphors! Sony can't put that on the box!
I think they care, but I think they care more about securing another dominant generation and are willing to spend for it. Sony has been on fire in terms of PlayStation profits lately. I think they are seriously considering investing in reducing the RRP to make this a no brainer decision for most.
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