HDTV Wonder cancelled?

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Nvidia is only one of ATI's challenges: the U.S. Federal Communications Commission has also hampered its plans. The company has produced an HDTV Wonder product, for example, that allows users to receive HDTV on their desktops. The FCC has told both ATI and NVidia that they can no longer make these products. The purported reason is that they want to protect high-definition content from other devices. So ATI, though a Canadian company, is adhering to the FCC's order and will end production in July.
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This is due to the infamous "broadcast flag". This applies to ALL consumer products related to HDTV receiving.

Recently there was a ruling by a judge saying the FCC overstepped their bounds by specifying how exactly conumer electronics should be made. Here is the slashdot article from a few days ago: http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/02/23/1546244.shtml?tid=129&tid=17
slashdot said:
USA Today reports an appeals court was not amused at the FCC's broadcast flag rule. Sounds like the judge bought into the argument that the FCC does not have the authority to dictate device design. The broadcast flag isn't quite dead yet, but at least it's in trouble.
 
It seems like the whole situation is up in the air right now. I'm hoping they do away with the broadcast flag.
 
What, end production of the HDTV Wonder completely, or just the current version that ignores the flag?

Shoddy journalism or just misunderstanding? The FCC may have the authority to block the sale of HDTV recording equipment that ignores the broadcast flag, but one that respects it? Doesn't sound fair.
 
yea i read about it . I'm going to use it to move hd-dvd videos off my dishnetwork recorder to dvd in divx files . But i notice the quality is worse if i use my normal ati wonder . I wont be using it for the other features
 
Isn't the primary function of a HDTV card to record HDTV? Isn't that legal in all circumstances?
What does the Supreme Court? Shouldn't they make a ruling against that ban of the "digital VCR"?
More importantly for me, is the US lobbying to export this assault on consumers rights to other countries? (like they're doing with the DMCA).

I guess it will be like the DVD zoning crap (most DVD players don't respect it or are easily unlockable), at least out of US, but this sucks.
 
Pete said:
What, end production of the HDTV Wonder completely, or just the current version that ignores the flag?

Shoddy journalism or just misunderstanding? The FCC may have the authority to block the sale of HDTV recording equipment that ignores the broadcast flag, but one that respects it? Doesn't sound fair.
Legally it only means the end of production for the current version. It's up to Ati to sell a version that supports the broadcast flag.
 
3dcgi said:
Legally it only means the end of production for the current version. It's up to Ati to sell a version that supports the broadcast flag.
I dunno if they can do that because how could it stop a direct digital extraction of the data to the computer? As USB2.0 port isn't a protected digital output ( and its not an analog ) and in that case it has to set the max resolution to 720x480 pixels.

So why not just get a SDTV tuner in that case?

Most likely the FCC ruling is going to get turned over by the court but congress will just put the same requirements in law which the courts can't eaisly do anything about. I don't even think that they would need a new law as this should already be illegal under the DMCA device circumvents the copyright protection.
 
bloodbob said:
Most likely the FCC ruling is going to get turned over by the court but congress will just put the same requirements in law which the courts can't eaisly do anything about. I don't even think that they would need a new law as this should already be illegal under the DMCA device circumvents the copyright protection.
What copy protection? I wasn't aware over the air HDTV had copy protection. It's freely viewable.
 
3dcgi said:
What copy protection? I wasn't aware over the air HDTV had copy protection. It's freely viewable.

The do not copy flag is copyright protection it says please don't copy and a complaint device won't. It doesn't matter how crappy a copyright protection scheme is all that matters is one exists. There are some defenses/exception but it would have to be tested on court to say that its legal.

Free to air is freely viewable but it doesn't give you the redistrubtion rights or any other rights.
 
bloodbob said:
Most likely the FCC ruling is going to get turned over by the court but congress will just put the same requirements in law which the courts can't eaisly do anything about. I don't even think that they would need a new law as this should already be illegal under the DMCA device circumvents the copyright protection.

Most likely Congress won't do a thing about it. A huge portion of Congress has no interest in trying to pass a law to allow the FCC to do that because it wouldn't go so well with your constituents to have your opponent saying you supported the killing of digital recording.

Hollywood has already tried to get Congress to pass a law and that has failed so far. The FCC was more of a backup plan.

They need to do something but this seems like the wrong way to do it to me.
 
Cryect said:
Most likely Congress won't do a thing about it. A huge portion of Congress has no interest in trying to pass a law to allow the FCC to do that because it wouldn't go so well with your constituents to have your opponent saying you supported the killing of digital recording.

What about the macrovision clause in the DMCA? Its the analog version of the FCC broadcast flag.
 
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