GameCube update
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PiNkY
I don't know about links. Ask other people around here, that seems to be the accepted number on this forum (over $3 billion).
Leto
Well while I agree with you that's hardly the point as regards to my post. All I was saying is that if someone is going to compare situations like that then all the contributing factors should be mentioned.
I don't know about links. Ask other people around here, that seems to be the accepted number on this forum (over $3 billion).
Leto
Well while I agree with you that's hardly the point as regards to my post. All I was saying is that if someone is going to compare situations like that then all the contributing factors should be mentioned.
jarrod said:What, you mean like GTA, Metal Gear, Madden or Onimusha.london-boy said:
There are many other games that are exclusive to PS2, and if they were on Xbox, the Xbox would have fared much much better.
All the best Square games, all the best Naughty Dog games, Insomniac, GTA (not 2 years after everyone finished the original version), GT...
Also, Sony's marketing approach could teach a thing or 2 to MS or N... and everyone else on this planet
Sorry to deviate the thread a bit from the classical "MS are gaining momentum, Nintendo are losing marketshare, but Nintendo make profit" stuff.
I just wanted to say that the only GC game that people should forward to (And Buy!) is Starfox Assault!
This game have to sell! Nintendo must understand, no more on foot action/adventure crap, Starfox = spacecraft shooter!
I just wanted to say that the only GC game that people should forward to (And Buy!) is Starfox Assault!
This game have to sell! Nintendo must understand, no more on foot action/adventure crap, Starfox = spacecraft shooter!
Evil_Cloud
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Teasy said:
They were over 2 billion in red at the end of 2003 (official numbers, losses made in about 2-3 years time), so +3 billion really isn't that impossible.
The comparison to Sega was made because of their traditional lack of support in a platform's twilight years. This was aggrivated on Saturn and Dreamcast due to both not meeting expectations true (neither has GameCube though) but even on Genesis/MD Sega prematurely cut support. They drop platforms at a whim historically, we don't even need to explore add-ons like Sega/Mega CD or 32X.function said:
Also Nintendo's 2005 GC lineup is actually rather full already, arguably the strongest 2005 1st party lineup on any platform so far...
-Advance Wars: Under Fire (Kuju) NA/EU/JP
-Chibi Robo (Skip) JP
-Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat (EAD) NA/EU
-Donkey Konga 2 (Namco) NA/EU
-Donkey Konga 3 (Namco) JP
-Fire Emblem (Intelligent Systems) NA/EU/JP
-Geist (nSpace) NA/EU/JP
-Kirby Adventure (HAL) NA/EU/JP
-Legend of Zelda (EAD) NA/EU/JP
-Mario Baseball (Namco) NA/EU/JP
-Metroid Prime 2: Dark Echoes (Retro) JP
-Odama (Vivarium) NA/EU/JP
-Star Fox Assault (Namco) NA/EU/JP
...I'd say that that's hardly a trickle, indeed that's suppossedly all for the 1st half of 2005 only (though I expect Zelda & Kirby at least to probably be fall games in the west).
5-6 releases by mid 1998... leaving a full 1.5 year gap betwen any console releases until DC hit in fall 1999. And you call Nintendo's loaded 1st half 2005 schedule "a trickle"?function said:
Yes actually. Quite a few.function said:
Not in America (which accounted for over half of DC's world market), here it was PS2 exclusive. We also mised out on Shenmue II among other promised DC releases... Sega's always handled console transitions worst here though.function said:
Every one except Sega I take it? I mean, why else would my comparison have incited such a response?function said:
In a new Famitsu interview, Miyamoto just confirmed Mario 128 is in R&D for GameCube as well still. I'm not saying Nintendo's "being kind" or aren't looking to profit here... but it's still nice they're not simply cutting their losses on GC and just bumping the new Mario/Zelda/DK games over to Revolution for 2006 launch. They're still feeding the GC userbase and plan to continue doing so evdiently. I imagine backwards compataibilty (and the draw of giving GC a rechristened budget release down the line) are factors in that as well.
I have to disagree there, out of those only GT3 and FFX have really pushed the PS2 thus far, and there's no way MS could possibly have secured either. Getting GTA late is better than never though, just ask Nintendo.london-boy said:
True, but that's another discussion entirely.london-boy said:Also, Sony's marketing approach could teach a thing or 2 to MS or N... and everyone else on this planet
Camelot isn't making Mario Baseball, it's being done by Namco's Famista team. Next I'd like to see KCET's Winning Eleven team handle Mario Soccer.Blade said:
From this article, it appears that Nintendo is returning to profit (in other words they had a loss the previous period).
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/041125/earns_japan_nintendo_3.html
So no, not even Nintendo is always profitable. But on the bright side looks like their bottom line upswing is huge.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/041125/earns_japan_nintendo_3.html
So no, not even Nintendo is always profitable. But on the bright side looks like their bottom line upswing is huge.
Evil_Cloud
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Possible cooperation partners (if I were Nintendo, I would work with them):
- Square-Enix (PlayOnline infrastructure, active supporter of Nintendo DS (8 new games on their way!), Game Boy Advance and GameCube)
- Sega (SNAP, or Sega Network Application Package has (partly?) been sold to Nokia, but Sega still has a sizy online infrastructure, which hosts quite a few Sony games)
- Capcom (MultiMatching Broadband Service (Japan + USA) & possible European expansion of infrastructure, good relation with Nintendo)
- Hudson (technology division is still going strong, has commited itself to the creation of new Nintendo DS technology, one of the few third parties Nintendo worked together with during the N64 days (Mario Party for example Wink))
- Bandai (Nintendo owns a rather large chunk of shares (2nd biggest shareholder I believe), and has been quite busy with experimenting on new wireless online technology for Nintendo DS)
I know it's virtually impossible to measure, but I wonder what the average consumer satisfaction is between the PS2, Xbox, and GameCube?
Personally, mine has the PS2 on top, Xbox trailing a bit behind, and the GameCube even further behind.
We all have our perceptions of what the market really is, but I would be curious to see some sort of consumer feedback study done on the subject, especially by demographic/geographic location.
Personally, mine has the PS2 on top, Xbox trailing a bit behind, and the GameCube even further behind.
We all have our perceptions of what the market really is, but I would be curious to see some sort of consumer feedback study done on the subject, especially by demographic/geographic location.
Ty: GI.biz are just putting a negative spin on the facts.
No Nintendo didn't have a loss, they just didn't meet expectations at the end of the first half of the previous fiscal year, that's all... This fact is even presented in the same article: the profit of Nintendo for fiscal year 2003.
I think the subject was discussed lots of times on these boards, along with all the other "Nintendo is about to die"-"symptoms" frequently seen in articles from the oh-so-many "industrial insiders"...
No Nintendo didn't have a loss, they just didn't meet expectations at the end of the first half of the previous fiscal year, that's all... This fact is even presented in the same article: the profit of Nintendo for fiscal year 2003.
I think the subject was discussed lots of times on these boards, along with all the other "Nintendo is about to die"-"symptoms" frequently seen in articles from the oh-so-many "industrial insiders"...
jarrod said:
But Sega were terrible at keeping customers and developer/publisher support, and got forced out of hardware. Their history is littered with bad decisions. Dropping the Genesis as fast as they did was absolutely stupid, though it did contribute to the production of the titles that made the Saturn a success in Japan. And if you want to wheel out the ill conceived 32X (not actually a system, an add on, but what a mess that was anyway), I'll raise you the Virtual Boy.
No-one has produced and then dropped a system as fast as the charmless Virtual Boy. It makes the 32X look like a successful, long lived device that brought pleasure to the masses. Even the Jaguar, on a really bad day, was supported better than the rather-pricey-for-what-it-was Virtual Boy!
Trying to make anyone look good by comparing them to Sega is crazy, (especially when it isn't as clear cut as you were trying to make out).
But Nintendo live and die by their first party releases in a way that no-one else does. Saying that they have arguably the best first party lineup next year means very little when their more successful (in console and game sales terms) competitors were never relying on this in the first place...
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From the second biggest software producer in the world (aren't they still?) that certainly is a trickle. And some of them are with thrid party outsourcing (or collaboration)! As you say, those games are likely to be spread out over more than the first half of next year globally, and some will never reach the West anyway. The more I think about it, the worse it seems ... still, that's business I guess.
Can you name them? porting, then making a production run of expensive N64 carts for a number of three or five thousand sounds risky. As for the GC, which 1st party titles have been released in such a low number?
I'd really like to know which these games are. I could quite easily have missed them, as I'm not exactly a chart-hound, but for the moment I'm going to have to remain sceptical.
Yeah, Sega managed to screw over it's most important market most of all. They're the best.
Every one except Sega I take it? I mean, why else would my comparison have incited such a response?
You kidding? Sega are no different to anyone else (except in the determined nature in which they seemed to persue their very own riches to rags tale). It incited a response because comparing a rich, healthy company like Nintendo (which none the less loses marketshare with total consistency) to Sega is like a fat man who's let himself go comparing himself to a wheelchair bound corpse and saying "say, I'm not doing so bad after all!"
But the corpse still wins out in some regards!
I don't think scrapping their current GC games (hasn't Mario 128 been in development for about 2 years now?) would be cutting their losses; it'd be incurring them. The games that are coming out on GC now are well beyond the point where it would make sense to switch them over to be Revolution titles.
I agree with all that, though I'd say Saturn's Japanese success rested largely on Virtua Fighter upfront moreso than anything (and it's not like AM2 was deep in MD development enyway). Sega essentially killed support on a 30 million strong western base to cater to a 6 million strong Japanese base.function said:
Well, Nintendo acted swiftly when VB stalled at retail. It had something like a 6 month shelf life. The only platform from a major game maker that can compare would be Nintendo's own Pokemon Mini, funny enough. As is though VB managed to move 2 million systems... which is actually more than 32X afaik.function said:
It was just a swift console comparison, it's nice to see Nintendo isn't just dropping a lame duck. As Sega has repeatedly.function said:Trying to make anyone look good by comparing them to Sega is crazy, (especially when it isn't as clear cut as you were trying to make out).
But then, neither Microsoft nor Sony really have amazing lineups either for 2005, 3rd party included. Both have a few big titles (Sony moreso) but all three platforms are looking a little weak for the first half next year. As always... they'll pick up in the fall (well maybe not Xbox).function said:
Well, they aren't 2nd biggest by supporting just one platform. Would you also like their GBA & DS lineups?function said:
Well that reflects policy shifts at Nintendo more than anything. Less reliance on 2nd party developers (after the Rare, Leftfield and SK deals went sour) and more 3rd party collaberations. You also have to figure EAD as being NCL's primary console team (been that way for the past decade) is now branching out into heavy DS R&D. Things are slowing internally... but then the 1st half is a traditionally slow period anyway. GC actually holds up favorably to the competition here.function said:
Again, it's the slow period of the year sales wise, and Nintendo still have a fairly packed lineup. And outside one game (Chibo Robo) all are guaranteed worldwide release really. I'd say you need to think on it a bit longer, this is hardly a lacking lineup considering the circumstances.function said:
There's plenty of examples. In Japan there was Sin & Punishment on N64 (10,000 print run iirc), the entire line of 64DD releases (which were sold by direct market order only and mailed to customers) and western games like Eternal Darkness or 1080 Avalanche regularly see tiny print runs of 5-20k.function said:
In the US there's less examples since NOA's so careful with their own release schedule. Off the top of my head I can think of Pokemon Box for GC though, which is only sold online and at the Pokemon Center in NYC. There's also the various limited promotion GC discs Nintendo's been releasing (featuring demos, GBA link bonuses or emulated Zelda games). Nothing really comparable on N64 here, but that's to be expected when dealing with expensive silicon ROM carts.
I doubt Sega of America would've bothered with Panzer Saga or Burning Rangers either if they were on 16MB carts.... as is though, the 20k units of their various final Saturn games weren't even enough to meet demand and all sold out immediately. Saturn was put down and new releases (and new shipments even) stopped because Bernie Stolar wanted it done with, not because there wasn't some market left at all. SOA even canceled promised later games like Deep Fear actually, and did their best to drive away what 3rd party support they had left (like the Working Designs fiasco or refusing to release the 4MB cart for Capcom's games). Hardly charitable moves "for the fans".
Hey, it was just a guess... going by your criteria though, wouldn't it also be unfair to compare a strggling game only company like Nintendo directly to a monopoly empowered software giant like Microsoft or a diversified electronics/media giant like Sony? Aren't Sega and Nintendo in fact much more directly comparable, despite fiscal responsibilty?function said:You kidding? Sega are no different to anyone else (except in the determined nature in which they seemed to persue their very own riches to rags tale). It incited a response because comparing a rich, healthy company like Nintendo (which none the less loses marketshare with total consistency) to Sega is like a fat man who's let himself go comparing himself to a wheelchair bound corpse and saying "say, I'm not doing so bad after all!"
But the corpse still wins out in some regards!
Mario Sunshine's been in development (in some form) since 1999 actually. Only very recently though has a solid team formed around the concept from what I understand.... but the core programmer (can't remember his name, he did the water physics for WaveRace 64 & Mario Sunshine) has been kicking it around since then. Truth be told, it likely should be bumped up to Revolution for launch.function said:
I do see Microsoft cutting plenty of Xbox projects in favor of movement to Xenon though, particularly from Rare. But then I take it they enjoy buringing over there...