Game Informer's E3 Grades + Review Scores
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TheChefO said:e3 2005
Seriously this question is obvious isn't it? If news comes out about something which was previously unknown/unexpected, people will look into it right? I don't know maybe it's just me. No offense Hupfingsack.
Another rewording coming in!
I know with what the big peaks correspond, it's rather the little ones that are interesting. If you were MS, wouldn't you be interested in whetger your campaigns proved somewhat effective or if they were completely uneffective.hupfinsgack said:Another rewording coming in!
Well we won't truly know how effective they are for quite a while. As far as people looking into the news sure it will cause a spike. As far as people believing the news, we'll have to get past the launch period. By that time there may be quite a few factors contributing to sales or lack of sales of ps3. At the bear minimum what either Sony or MS would want to achieve with these kind of fud campaigns is simply that:
F.U.D.
Fear Uncertainty Doubt
Price also has a role to play in the equation as the cheaper (price/necessity) something is, (in comparison to its market) the less effective Fud is.
mckmas8808 said:
Lots of people just jump right behind "but the PS3 is a blu ray player!" currently I wouldn't be too excited from what I've seen. The upconversion on the Samsung is terrible and if the PS3 suffers from the same fate, then really, it's not that useful.
Sony won't be using VC1 any time soon and I still don't see any 50gb dual layers discs, nor do I see any current VC1 titles. When the Warner titles come out and for some reason they're only using 20GB discs, we'll see how they compare.
Ofcourse, the story with the Blu Ray and PS3 is always the same "wait for this! wait for that!"
Here's how arrogant everyone's beloved Sony is:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7855303&&#post7855303
The VC1 codec is free to use and MS will even help Sony implement it but God forbid if best consumer interest and intentions ever take priority over arrogance at Sony.
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TheChefO said:
Again, that is entirely besides the point, you can't measure how your marketing affect sales before your product is actually launched or how your FUD campaigns might effect your competitor/s. But you can measure how much attention on the internet, i.e. traffic your campaigns create. It's very useful to know if your efforts reach some customers and what coverage you can create. So knowing when "the colony", etc. started, would be very interesting.
scooby_dooby said:LOL I love the whole 'whoever said Mercs and Assasins were exclusive?" act.
Meanwhile, I get neg repped, and argued against by 10 different people when I tried to point out these common sense facts a month ago. Whatever happend to the 'well the logo's not on their website so it's not in development' logic?
PS3 ports?
Hardknock said:Wow. I had no idea that Sony was being this stubborn.
Whatever happened to doing what's best for consumers?
I see Xbdestroya made his way over there.
They are trying their hardest to do what's best for consumers. They just never specified who the consumers were.
Somewhow I get the idea that Howard Stringer is a consumer who will benefit greatly.
mckmas8808
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Hardknock said:Wow. I had no idea that Sony was being this stubborn.
Whatever happened to doing what's best for consumers?
I see Xbdestroya made his way over there.
Yeah xbd should come here and speak more about how he feels. XBD you belong to us.
J/KSony needs to buck you and use VC-1 before they lose the battle. I will see how Blu-ray movies look for my own eyes tomorrow in the local BestBuy. I seen HD-DVD movies there last week and it looked very great.
But for some reason they took the HD-DVD example display done for the Blu-ray player. Why I don't know.
I thought the reason Sony were using MPeg2 was because a lot of the cinema gear is already established on that format and it offers an easy pipeline from production to distribution.
Personally a dozen different formats does my head in. I have lots of different audio and video codecs all of which do the same job in different and incompatible ways. It's complication and hassle I'd rather do without. Standards should be standards. eg. .png has been in existence fora decade and IE still can't display them properly. And the mutilations that have been applied to the HTML standard are a severe PITA to anyone trying to create a website and having to test on different browsers. Alas, the end user is the last thing to be considered in all these standards choices no matter which international corporation is making them
Personally a dozen different formats does my head in. I have lots of different audio and video codecs all of which do the same job in different and incompatible ways. It's complication and hassle I'd rather do without. Standards should be standards. eg. .png has been in existence fora decade and IE still can't display them properly. And the mutilations that have been applied to the HTML standard are a severe PITA to anyone trying to create a website and having to test on different browsers. Alas, the end user is the last thing to be considered in all these standards choices no matter which international corporation is making them
scooby_dooby
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Ben-Nice said:
Let me know when we get release dates.
Though there are reports (reading the AVS Forums) of HD-DVD being better quality video,
it really isn't that much better that the general public, or even the run-of-the-mill home theater hobbyist would notice, or care.
The videophiles are a different matter altogether.
So, even if Sony didn't start using the VC-1, I really don't think it would affect them much at all, even less to cause them to "lose the battle".
With dual layer BD, the difference in one way or the other should be negligible.
Besides, all the comparisons thus far are based on one model player and different films.
It's silly to yet declare the quality winner when both formats are in their infancy.
When we get films that are out on both formats and more players, then we can start discussing which format offers better quality overall.
At this moment it seems the Toshiba HD-DVD palyer is of better quality. For example it's capable of "blacker than black", while the Samsung BR player isn't capable of that.
Already a mark of somewhat shoddily designed player, and surely being unable to display "blacker than black" does affect the discernible visual quality of the outputted image on Samsung.
Will PS3 be better, worse or about equal in quality to for example these first gen players remains to be seen.
It will be able to output high resolution video of tolerable quality, that's for sure, and that will be enough for many who are planning to get into the "HD-Era" with their PS3.
Anyway... way too off-topic.
it really isn't that much better that the general public, or even the run-of-the-mill home theater hobbyist would notice, or care.
The videophiles are a different matter altogether.
So, even if Sony didn't start using the VC-1, I really don't think it would affect them much at all, even less to cause them to "lose the battle".
With dual layer BD, the difference in one way or the other should be negligible.
Besides, all the comparisons thus far are based on one model player and different films.
It's silly to yet declare the quality winner when both formats are in their infancy.
When we get films that are out on both formats and more players, then we can start discussing which format offers better quality overall.
At this moment it seems the Toshiba HD-DVD palyer is of better quality. For example it's capable of "blacker than black", while the Samsung BR player isn't capable of that.
Already a mark of somewhat shoddily designed player, and surely being unable to display "blacker than black" does affect the discernible visual quality of the outputted image on Samsung.
Will PS3 be better, worse or about equal in quality to for example these first gen players remains to be seen.
It will be able to output high resolution video of tolerable quality, that's for sure, and that will be enough for many who are planning to get into the "HD-Era" with their PS3.
Anyway... way too off-topic.
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This just isn't good for Sony the HD-DVD VS Blu-Ray race is mirroring PS3 VS 360. Blu-Ray players are twice as much as HD-DVD players and early reports show the HD-DVD players are better quality.
Sony needs to get off there butt and actually prove their products are worth more then competing products since there products are more expensive. We're not stupid and we're not going to buy more expensive products just cause it has the sony name on it, we're not going to buy the PS3 with no games like they think we are and I truly believe come november it will be a rude awakening when not every PS3 flies off the shelf at 600$.
I honestly think Sony and there Execs are in this delusional world where they think they can sell what every they want at whatever price they want regardless of how good the product is.
Sony really looks to be a company lumbering along throwing everything they can at the wall and seeing if something sticks, problem is what they are throwing at the wall costs alot more than competeing products.
Sony needs to get off there butt and actually prove their products are worth more then competing products since there products are more expensive. We're not stupid and we're not going to buy more expensive products just cause it has the sony name on it, we're not going to buy the PS3 with no games like they think we are and I truly believe come november it will be a rude awakening when not every PS3 flies off the shelf at 600$.
I honestly think Sony and there Execs are in this delusional world where they think they can sell what every they want at whatever price they want regardless of how good the product is.
Sony really looks to be a company lumbering along throwing everything they can at the wall and seeing if something sticks, problem is what they are throwing at the wall costs alot more than competeing products.
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To quote THE FORS over at a entirely diff message board:
"You know the amazing thing about every single game we've seen from E3 till now, is that most (not all) of the people on these threads have been judging the graphical power of the PS3 games shown
WHY???????????
dont any of you people remember scoffing at the mess HALO was prior to its release......at E3 2001 (or 2002 not sure) the game had an absolutely poor reception due to its framerate issues...i remember reading a playstation magazine which went as far as saying 'AFTER SEEING MICROSOFTS MESS OF A GAME , I CAN ASSURE YOU THE PLAYSTATION2 HAS NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT IN TERMS OF GRAPHICAL PERFORMANCE'..........needless to say i didnt continue to read that particular magazine.
the point i'm making is that, ok we've seen some less than gobsmaking graphics on offer from various game developers..., but hey i personally think there are some great lookin games in the pipeline which are WOWING me now
the games which i stated that aint WOWING me, i aint gave up on..............i mean these are only at 30%-40% build
i suggest that people who are stating that certain games which we've seen no better than the current crop of XBOX 360....ought to wait and see what comes to fruition on the PS3
i bet my house we're gonna be suprised."
I couldn't agree more. If what we saw at E3 is decribed as 'on the same level as the 360, graphically' when these games have a good 5-7 months to improve, then that's saying alot.
"You know the amazing thing about every single game we've seen from E3 till now, is that most (not all) of the people on these threads have been judging the graphical power of the PS3 games shown
WHY???????????
dont any of you people remember scoffing at the mess HALO was prior to its release......at E3 2001 (or 2002 not sure) the game had an absolutely poor reception due to its framerate issues...i remember reading a playstation magazine which went as far as saying 'AFTER SEEING MICROSOFTS MESS OF A GAME , I CAN ASSURE YOU THE PLAYSTATION2 HAS NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT IN TERMS OF GRAPHICAL PERFORMANCE'..........needless to say i didnt continue to read that particular magazine.
the point i'm making is that, ok we've seen some less than gobsmaking graphics on offer from various game developers..., but hey i personally think there are some great lookin games in the pipeline which are WOWING me now
the games which i stated that aint WOWING me, i aint gave up on..............i mean these are only at 30%-40% build
i suggest that people who are stating that certain games which we've seen no better than the current crop of XBOX 360....ought to wait and see what comes to fruition on the PS3
i bet my house we're gonna be suprised."
I couldn't agree more. If what we saw at E3 is decribed as 'on the same level as the 360, graphically' when these games have a good 5-7 months to improve, then that's saying alot.
scooby_dooby
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Cloudie said:
I guess you could say that, but the only game in the same class as the X360 games was Heavenly Sword, everything else didn't really match up. So I wouldn't describe the PS3 'on the same level' as the 2nd generation 360 games, they have a way to go. There were some nice graphics in trailer form, but these are all 2007 or 2008+ target renders.
I agree also, good 1st post btw. I think there are several games that match or best 360 titles, that wont even be released until 2007+. All in all i think thats pretty impressive to look so good, so early. I mentioned something like that in the Heavenly Sword thread. I cannot wait to see what comes down the pipeline 3-4 years from now.Cloudie said:
scooby_dooby
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FF13 looks amazing, but the best looking ps3 game at the show was Assassins Creed imo, and it's x-platform, I don't really see that as a positive.
Graphically, although it looks great, I dont think Assassin's Creed was the best looking ps3 game. (maybe top animated and best sounding premise)scooby_dooby said:
FF13, MGS4, Heavenly Sword, Naughty Dog's title, DMC4, Getaway, 8days demo's, R&C, ut2k7 all look like graphically top looking console titles. Who knows what killzone will look like. While I dont think it will be a 100% match to the 05 trailer, I dont see Sony releasing it without it looking graphically impressive compared to all console games.
Personally, I think FFXIII takes the cake on best looking console game. (even though we have seen limited media on it) It's the one game who even had some members here thinking it was CG.
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