DuckThor Evil
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It was horrible weekend for him, there is no spinning it around, even Briatore was quite furious and openly criticised Heikki. Kovalainen cant' afford to perform like for long or he'll be replaced.
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It was horrible weekend for him, there is no spinning it around, even Briatore was quite furious and openly criticised Heikki. Kovalainen cant' afford to perform like for long or he'll be replaced.
tongue_of_colicab
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Briatore should just STFU, get some viagra and fuck one of his photomodels because all this guy can do is complain about others. Especially when things dont go his way he starts lashing out at everybody. He was even complaining about the back of the grid how they were keeping renault up. You know, if your car/driver is stuck behind a slower car for 5/6 laps you should take a look at your car and drivers, not at the back of the grid because obvious your now fast enough. I didnt see Massa having alot of trouble overtaking the slower cars.
Kovalianen isnt like hamelton. He has been nurtured for over a decade to become a F1 driver, Renault just grabbed Kovalainen because they needed a replacement for Alonse, dropped him on the battlefield and expect him to be a champion from day 1. Renault knew this was coming from day 1, you cant expect a rookie with just one winter of training in a F1 car to suddenly become a top driver. Instead of jumping on his back for the obvious happening they should praise him for atleast fninishing in the top10. There is absolutely no point in putting even more pressure on the guy because he probably already gave it his all.
Renault decided to go with a crap driver and a rookie, they shouldve seen problems coming. No use in complaining, especially against the rookie. If anyone should take the heat it should be Fisi because he cant even manage to get a podium with a car Alonse got WC with for the last 2 years.
Kovalianen isnt like hamelton. He has been nurtured for over a decade to become a F1 driver, Renault just grabbed Kovalainen because they needed a replacement for Alonse, dropped him on the battlefield and expect him to be a champion from day 1. Renault knew this was coming from day 1, you cant expect a rookie with just one winter of training in a F1 car to suddenly become a top driver. Instead of jumping on his back for the obvious happening they should praise him for atleast fninishing in the top10. There is absolutely no point in putting even more pressure on the guy because he probably already gave it his all.
Renault decided to go with a crap driver and a rookie, they shouldve seen problems coming. No use in complaining, especially against the rookie. If anyone should take the heat it should be Fisi because he cant even manage to get a podium with a car Alonse got WC with for the last 2 years.
DuckThor Evil
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Umm. Kovalainen has been part of the Renault youth program for ages and he has had experience with Renault F1 car since 2003. Last season he was Renaults' third pilot and the main test driver, he is not some rookie they just pulled out of nowhere... 10th place in the race 13th in time trial for a Renault is really bad. Kovalainen was extremely disapointed about it himself and he wasn't the only one.
tongue_of_colicab
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I didnt know he was a test driver (or did he just occasionally test?). But he still is a rookie when it comes to F1 racing and he lacks experiance. I still think its overdone to complain so much about it. IMHO Fisi's performance is alot worse than Heiki's.
DuckThor Evil
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He was the main test driver and I'm fairly certain that last year he drove that car much more than Alonso or Fisichella. Let's see how this season will unfold, I'd certainly be happy to see him succeed, but I don't have the faith in him like had in Kimi since the start of his career, but we'll see what happens. He needs to beat Fisichella soon on regular basis.
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Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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Great race, even if only half the cars finished, a driver broke his leg, and they kept stopping it for the safety car.
Montreal is another track that's too dangerous to race at, but Bernie wants it there while he tries to crack the US market.
Montreal is another track that's too dangerous to race at, but Bernie wants it there while he tries to crack the US market.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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Yes, but not to the safety of the track.
Any track without adequate run off areas, and walls where they expect people to crash every year and where they expect several safety car periods would not be approved or designed today - the FIA would cite it as being too dangerous.
Everyone makes mistakes. Nearly half the cars made mistakes yesterday that involved them slamming into walls, and that just isn't safe. Kubica was lucky he didn't go over that wall and land on the cars coming out of that bend, or hit someone as he was bouncing and rolling down the track (or get hit by someone).
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Tracks tend to have adequate run off areas where accidents are expected. I have never seen anyone go off where he did before and certainly not at that speed.
I don't like the constant stop/start nature of the track, but I don't think this accident highlights it's dangerous nature.
No track has run off areas around the whole track. Very few tracks legislate for driver error on a straight/slight kink.
I don't like the constant stop/start nature of the track, but I don't think this accident highlights it's dangerous nature.
No track has run off areas around the whole track. Very few tracks legislate for driver error on a straight/slight kink.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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And all the other crashes? Despite all the changes made over the years to that corner, the "champion's wall" is still reknown for eating cars as drivers make mistakes.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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Why not build walls around all the tracks and remove all run off areas if it's a good test of skill to see if the driver can avoid hitting walls right on the edge of the track and on the outside of bends?
How about putting land mines around the edge of the track to "severely punish driver mistakes"?
How do you feel about other drivers like Lewis Hamilton getting punished four times by losing his hard won lead because the safety car had to come out every time someone hit the wall, even though Hamilton did nothing wrong himself?
tongue_of_colicab
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Who cares if its fair? Last weeks race was alot more fun to watch than any other race i've seen for a long long time.
Why not just do away with drivers and have the cars driven around the track by computers, then there would never be any crashes.
I see no one calling for Monaco to be dropped, despite the fact it's always the most boring race every season. There are plenty of crashes there too.
Certain races test the drivers, sure the safety car is annoying, but it made the race more interesting. It was good to see Hamilton keep pulling away at each restart, much better than seeing him win by a clear lap which probably would've been the case without the safety car periods.
The only thing that needs improving is the removal of the cars and Monaco has proven that it's possible to remove all but the most serious of accidents on a track with no run off areas and walls all round.
I see no one calling for Monaco to be dropped, despite the fact it's always the most boring race every season. There are plenty of crashes there too.
Certain races test the drivers, sure the safety car is annoying, but it made the race more interesting. It was good to see Hamilton keep pulling away at each restart, much better than seeing him win by a clear lap which probably would've been the case without the safety car periods.
The only thing that needs improving is the removal of the cars and Monaco has proven that it's possible to remove all but the most serious of accidents on a track with no run off areas and walls all round.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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So you think exciting race = crashes? Lets just put snipers all around the track and make it even more exciting, eh?
People do call for Monaco to be dropped. It has poor safety, poor viewing, poor facilities, and every year it's only there so the companies can schmooze with their sponsors. It would never be approved today on safety grounds.
Not at all, you are just being stupid.
Personally, I don't like the fact that at some tracks a car can go more than 20 metres away from the track and still get back without losing a place.
There was something happening at Montreal that doesn't happen many other places and it's called overtaking.
I really don't care if some drivers push too hard and crash, that's their fault not the tracks. The drivers are well aware that the course has walls all around it and should race accordingly.
The way your talking makes me wonder how anyone ever finished a race before run off areas became popular.
Ike Turner
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWZ7iKXfLXs
Different angle...dayuumm!
Different angle...dayuumm!
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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No, you are just being stupid. See, I can namecall too. Maybe next I'll call you fat and ugly.
Personally I don't like the fact that you can go two metres from the track, have a crash, litter the track with debris, bring the race to a near standstill as all the cars circle behind the safety car, have all the positions reset back to how they were as if no one had done any racing at all, and have it happen several times.
And lots of crashing and lots of people losing all the effort they put into racing. Once again, you seem to think that lots of overtaking because of crashes and safety cars is a good thing to happen in a race.
Any track where a third of the cars crash off needs to be questioned. By your same logic all cars should have all driver aids and speed enhancing technology, and if a driver throws it off the track at 350 mph, then he should have "raced accordingly". Yet the FIA disagree and have spent the last 20 years trying to make sure that when a driver makes a mistake and gets punished, that punishment does not include death, serious injury, or the ruining of the race for every other driver and the public.
In fact, the reason why many driver aids have been banned, many things implemented to slow the cars down, and many tracks changed and redesigned to slow cars down and make tracks safer is exactly because too many drivers were killing themselves by making mistakes and ending up dead or badly hurt.
A lot of people didn't - they got killed or badly injured over the years, not just in Formula 1, but in other race series that used those tracks. There's a reason why the likes of Monaco and Montreal are not full time tracks - they are too dangerous. That "champions wall" corner and the chicane before it have been changed several times over the years to try and make it less dangerous, but it's inherently dangerous just because of the shape and speed of the track before the car gets there.
The way you're talking makes me wonder if you wouldn't be happier with gladiators in an arena hacking each other to death.
