Final confirmed Jan NPD's

zed said:
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still looking like the xb360 will be leading in a years time in the US

WRT sales numbers all are lower than i expected ( except the ps2, prolly due to god of war2 i suspose )
terrible numbers for the ps3 esp, IMO sony need to really push blu-ray more ( it has won the battle of hd-dvd vs blu-ray ) but its not winning the battle against dvd, hint to sony, releasing a few titles per month, aint helping
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No way to tell if those numbers will be accurate. 360 may drop price. Halo3 launches eventually. MGS4, HS, and Lair are all coming to PS3 in that time period. 360 got a big jump in sales at the end of its first year (Gears). I don't see why PS3 sales would remain linear over a similar period. Plus, the Euro launch is in March. You think sales figures will remain linear then? Just looks like someone drew a straight line from current sales numbers...
 
Laa-Yosh said:
It started in Nov 05. Just because one party is late, the others won't stand still.
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How did that work out for the Dreamcast? It's not about being early or late, it's about positioning yourself in the market and winning in the long term. Remember Sony has a much larger world wide installed userbase. If Blu-ray becomes the HD standard it will also boost PS3 sales. Sony took a gamble, MS played it safe. Time will tell.

I love how Sony selling a machine at a loss is greedy and Nintendo selling a GC at $250 for a profit is not. Those are some rose colored glasses.
 
Carl B said:
Chef, I could make a hundred arguments as to why pushing BD in PS3, making it standard, and putting the games on it is a better move for Sony on a strategic level as a whole, but since we just can't know right now... I state again that it will be years and not months before we can write the histories. I also think that your assertion that Sony is more or less greedy than any other company is nonsense, and if there is 'greed' in play, it is on the part of Nintendo right now. For your accusations that an included HDD and BD drive constitute greed, I would say only so far as they tie in to a greater corporate strategy. Because Sony is losing significant sums on the console manufacture, and that greed is subtle rather than in your face. And even then, I would *also* point out to you that the console you described can be had at $500. Since I imagine you don't own the core 360, I'm sure you'll willingly grant the feature differences equate to $100 between what you own and the "greed machine." Is $100 a lot or a little? Well - that's a per consumer analysis.



Ok... and that's different than PS3's situation how?
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Sony isn't a charity. Greed is a part of any business. Some just have more of it than others. Sony doesn't push their formats with maximum royalties for themselves for your sake. It's for their own business.

BR in the PS3 *IS* the selling point to the studios and CE's. The PS3 acts as a lauch ramp for BR. The hope is, that the PS3 can establish BR well enough in the mass market that by the time cheap stand alone players come out, the market will readily accept BR as the format. The DVD production volume shifts to BR and Sony cashes in.

If there was no BR and they didn't hold IP in HD DVD, what are the chances you'd see HD DVD drives in the PS3? Next to none.
 
RobertR1 said:
Sony isn't a charity. Greed is a part of any business. Some just have more of it than others. Sony doesn't push their formats with maximum royalties for themselves for your sake. It's for their own business.

BR in the PS3 *IS* the selling point to the studios and CE's. The PS3 acts as a lauch ramp for BR. The hope is, that the PS3 can establish BR well enough in the mass market that by the time cheap stand alone players come out, the market will readily accept BR as the format. The DVD production volume shifts to BR and Sony cashes in.

If there was no BR and they didn't hold IP in HD DVD, what are the chances you'd see HD DVD drives in the PS3? Next to none.
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Right.

Now... I hope you don't think you're disagreeing with me, because that's everything I believe on the matter. And I think it's smart.
 
You cant compare with the dreamcast. THats a whole other story. One of sega screwups and developers screwing sega.

And asking 600 euro for a console is ''greedy'' because its alot of money compared to the other consoles.
 
rounin said:
Its all perspective anyway. Just because one party needed to rush and get there early doesn't make the other two late.
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Unless it's about gaining territory, which MS has succeded in, due to the absence of its competitors.
 
Todd33 said:
How did that work out for the Dreamcast? It's not about being early or late, it's about positioning yourself in the market and winning in the long term.
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See my other answer - MS has clearly managed to explit their advantage.
And stop with the Dreamcast comparisions please, it's so old...
 
Carl B said:
Chef, I could make a hundred arguments as to why pushing BD in PS3, making it standard, and putting the games on it is a better move for Sony on a strategic level as a whole, but since we just can't know right now... I state again that it will be years and not months before we can write the histories. I also think that your assertion that Sony is more or less greedy than any other company is nonsense, and if there is 'greed' in play, it is on the part of Nintendo right now. For your accusations that an included HDD and BD drive constitute greed, I would say only so far as they tie in to a greater corporate strategy. Because Sony is losing significant sums on the console manufacture, and that greed is subtle rather than in your face. And even then, I would *also* point out to you that the console you described can be had at $500. Since I imagine you don't own the core 360, I'm sure you'll willingly grant the feature differences equate to $100 between what you own and the "greed machine." Is $100 a lot or a little? Well - that's a per consumer analysis. I'm a fan of the HD media playback myself.
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I understand their situation. They want BR royalties. That in itself is not greed, that's business. However by packaging it with Playstation with the thought that Playstation faithful will buy it regardless, is greedy. IMO

I never said they are the most greedy company in the world or industry. Nor did I say they were the most arrogant. However their combination is definetly top talent.

You didn't respond to the option of producing an alternate DVD based ps3 or BR's ability to compete on it's own.
me said:
Example:
greed = a ps3 with built-in BR + HDD at $600
arrogance = all games on BR

DVD based games would have allowed the flexability to introduce a BR-less (and HDD-less) SKU to reach price sensetive markets. Through their arrogance they didn't consider the option of slow sales/rejection of the $500-600 pricepoint.
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Ok... and that's different than PS3's situation how?
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Ps3 just launched, it should be supply limited right now on it's way to hit 6million by March/April. Right?
 
Regarding BR... I still think that a PS3 without BR, but launched in early 2006, would have already crushed the X360.

And it seems that the only expensive toys that have a chance are those that run on petrol... :p
 
tongue_of_colicab said:
You cant compare with the dreamcast. THats a whole other story. One of sega screwups and developers screwing sega.

And asking 600 euro for a console is ''greedy'' because its alot of money compared to the other consoles.
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But a $500 BD player is cheap. Humm, guess it depends on if you *want* the product enough to get over your dislike Sony. Again, the equivalent next gen products are a whopping $100 difference in price (ignoring HD movie playback), OMG get a second job! :p

BTW charging $50/year for Live is greedy, $100 Wi-fi adaptor, $30 play and charge, $100 20GB HD, $200 HD-DVD, endless micro-transactions on Live, etc. They are all after your money, it's not personal.
 
tongue_of_colicab said:
You cant compare with the dreamcast. THats a whole other story. One of sega screwups and developers screwing sega.

And asking 600 euro for a console is ''greedy'' because its alot of money compared to the other consoles.
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I brought up the concept of pricing thresholds a while ago. About, how people, regardless of disposable incomes have a certain range for what they're willing to spend on non essentials. In this case, I stated that $600 is too much, regardless of the tech checkboxes and I think we're seeing that.
 
TheChefO said:
You didn't respond to the option of producing an alternate DVD based ps3 or BR's ability to compete on it's own.
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Sure - well, personally I think it would have been a bad move. It would mean that all PS3 games would have to be on DVD and that the industry ecosystem behind BD wouldn't have the forced jumpstart via massive diode and media replication demands. In Feb of 07 people might read this and say: "so?" But I think in Feb 09 for instance, benefits of having done so will be quite manifest.

Ps3 just launched, it should be supply limited right now on it's way to hit 6million by March/April. Right?
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When you say something like "Right?," I mean whose theories are you addressing? Sony's? Well then right. But let's put all the PR aside, and let me ask you this - how many PS3's do you think Sony will have sold in the US by the end of December 07? Now if you think it will be well below what 360 sold its first year, feel free to continue on your present course of reasoning. But if you don't, I'd appreciate if you took into consideration why that might be; perhaps because similarly to 360 in its first year, the game library is still to develop? ;)
 
TheChefO said:
I'm sorry I thought that was common knowledge for Sony's target. Perhaps I'm off.
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I don't follow this stuff as close as some, but the last quote I saw from a Sony rep was still hoping to hit that, yes. In the last month or so anyway.
 
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