Metalmurphy
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I find it impressive that a 2 month old expensive console sold almost as much as the 1 year old 360. I think the future is bright for the PS3. I'm pretty sure around March the sales are gonna increase.
Final confirmed Jan NPD's
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Bingo!
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Tell him what he's won Johnny!!
Sony not only thought they owned the market, but in addition, thought they could ride gamers backs for their movie format for guaranteed royalties over the next decade or two... IMO
Why do you guys insist on attaching human emotions to giant companies and regurgitating some obscure quote an executive said years ago who doesn't even speak English well? I guess I don't follow Sony's PR gaffes from 2005 closely so I can judge the product and not the "arrogance" of a behemoth company.
The price and business model is fair game and has been beaten to death. If you don't want a $500 console that doubles as a BD player, then maybe the 360 or Wii is a good alternative. Keep in mind the 360 is $400 (does anyone buy the core?), $100 more than last generation, where is your outrage? People are getting attached to "their side" and judge the "other guy" with ever changing and biased standards. Both companies (MS and Sony) want to take your money and both are asking for more than last gen, they are just going about it differently. Sony is asking for it in a lump sum and MS is nickel and diming you.
My personal setup:
$400 360 + $40 VGA + $100 Wi-fi + $50 Live + $20 rechargeable batteries = $610
$600 PS3 + $7 HDMI = $607
This is zero spin, this is what I have spent so far not counting extra controllers. I am happy with both systems, they both have strengths and weaknesses which everyone has heard again and again. I don't want MS, Sony or Nin to fail, I like the choice and the gaming they provide.
So dance around like a monkey trying to spin sales numbers if you like, but no one is paying for your viral marketing so maybe take a break once in a while.
scooby_dooby
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Again you go way to far with your insults and hyporbole. Believe it or not, the vast majority of posters on this board are mature and intelligent enough to realize that the competition benefits the consumer, and that the best result is an even playing field all around.
These people who want to see Sony go bankrupt exist only in your head I think, or maybe over at GameFAQS or GAF where you seem to have migrated from...
I've been a long supporter of 360, it's franchises, and the value it offered in 2005, but no way in the world would I ever want to see an MS dominated concole market.
Agreed. We bought ~350 DVDs, and they look great on our 36" WEGA. Now that will change when we get a HDTV either this year or next, but who wants to get in the middle of the next gen dvd format hissy fit currently going on? The media companies really need to get on the damn ball and settle on a single format once and for all.
DVD had benefits in every way over VHS.
1) Significantly Less bulk
2) Extras like behind-the-scenes, trailers, minigames, cross functionality with the computer, etc
3) Significantly better image quality and sound quality, allowing movie-like experience at home
4) No degraded playback despite multiple viewings
5) Multi-disc changers
HD-DVD and Blu-Ray simply don't have the same benefits over DVD to make a mass market migration appealing at this time.
When people say that they are talking about the fact that the Wii is not in the same price sphere, nor is it targeting the same demographic.
In that sense, I agree with you. The Wii not only undercuts the PS3 and Xbox 360 in price, but by broadening the gaming market, it is relegating those consoles to a smaller "niche" of gamers who are primarily interested in super high quality graphics and sound, but not much innovation in terms of gameplay, interaction, etc. I've been wondering about it and it seems that there will be hardcore gamers who have a PS3 or Xbox 360 and purchase the Wii. But it doesn't seem likely that the new gamers who buy a Wii will also buy a PS3 or Xbox 360.
It's definitely an interesting dynamic to watch play out over the coming years.
confidence != arrogance.
Not to mention only a fool would be as arrogant as they have been in public.
Any company with as questionable a product offering as ps3 given the maret conditions cannot afford to be arrogant.
When selling to cosumers you tout your advantages. In some cases you acknowledge and downplay your competition. You don't charge double your prior offering with ulterior motives and tell your customers to get a second job to do so while also expecting your customers to not only buy your product en masse but to do so without games. This in a market with two strong alternatives.
I don't know how it is in you guy's market but historically in my area there has been one cabletv offering. They provided questionable service and constant rate hikes. Recently when complaining about the service the representative gave a flippant answer, "What are you going to do? Go without cable?". DirectTV had a new customer that day.
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Yea it's not surprising that some companies took the route of "let's throw shovelware at it. If the Wii sells great, we can get some sales in. If not, we haven't wasted any development time."
The current sales of the Wii however should be changing that. With that in mind, I'm looking at E3 to be the true barometer of 3rd party support.
Agreed. I don't expect a flood of software to be shown but I do expect announced title support to grow exponentially.
3rd party support for Wii will definitely increase if this keeps up; however, if the other consoles (360) continues to sell well then support will cont as well. Keep in mind attached ratios is what devs/publishers look at over total h/w units sold.
Edit: I just wanted to point out that PS3 has yet to launch in Europe where arguably would be its strongest territory. If they win Europe, the market share makeup could very well be pretty evenly split across the 3 platforms.
Edit: I just wanted to point out that PS3 has yet to launch in Europe where arguably would be its strongest territory. If they win Europe, the market share makeup could very well be pretty evenly split across the 3 platforms.
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Because that arrogance has lead to action. They neglected their customers by marginalizing developer support and charging for items unrelated to the core experience to make an extra buck.
Price
Games selection
The two most important factors in a consoles success have both been compromised as a direct result of Sony's arrogance. Seeing this arrogance backfire and result in subpar sales will hopefully correct the Playstation platform in the future.
Why did you pay $40 for the vga cables and only $7 for HDMI? Just curious as one can get the vga cables for much cheaper online, just like HDMI cables.
Now you get it!
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Also DVD looked significantly better on the existing TV in your living room.
Personally I agree with the assertion that most people will wait until there is a clear format victor before buying/replacing their dvd library. On that note even, how many foresee replacing their ENTIRE library on HD disc format? I don't see it. Future titles, yeah I can see but dvd gave you the incentive to replace your old vhs tapes too. Many old movies look the same on dvd as they do on HD-DVD/Bluray.
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What's so questionable about PS3 ? I play Resistance for 3-4 hours daily on the average (Never had so much fun in FPS since Halo 1 was released). Am waiting for more games and features, but it looks like a solid product to me.
It's called skimming the market. It depends on Sony's corporate objectives (and their timeline). You're looking at the world from your own perspective, and that's fair; but it doesn't mean the world has to follow you (The same goes for Sony).
As you pointed out, Sony needs more games (although Resistance is a great one !), but launch game availability has little to do with long term pricing. Give the devs more time and I'm sure even better games will come. As for whether you need to work a second job, it's your call. I don't think the Sony execs are telling you to do that.
The Jan sales number doesn't surprise me at all. Perhaps it's your 500K expectation that is detached from reality ?
I don't know how it is in you guy's market but historically in my area there has been one cabletv offering. They provided questionable service and constant rate hikes. Recently when complaining about the service the representative gave a flippant answer, "What are you going to do? Go without cable?". DirectTV had a new customer that day.
A dominating company will typically try to leverage on their position (Sony or otherwise). As you can see, the competitions are not push overs.
I doubt masterdisaster is a figment of our imagination
there are defiantly few fanboys here that whish Sony’s death, dislike MS or hate Nintendo with a passion. back on topic
I’m surprised that all of them did so well in January and it's nice to see psp still selling strong.
scooby_dooby
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I doubt masterdisaster is a figment of our imagination
He must be if you see him posting in this thread...
In and of itself, yes, it does what it supposed to do. However the price/experience for a gamer is questionable when compared to other offerings available. Add games selection and it becomes decidedly more questionable. Not that everyone will question it. Almost 2 million agree with you. The other 98+ million aren't convinced yet.
Agreed. All IMO of course.
More games will come. I question whether it will be a case of too little too late for ps3 though.
As for my 2nd job -I would get another job, but I'm too busy playing xb360. Sucks for Sony.:smile:
Agreed - my prediction was way off.
I assumed the lack of systems on the shelf ment they sold out. I also assumed that they had at least one more shipment since last year.The key word being try.
aahh - over the top responses FTW.:smile:
Is this confirmed? Link? Any numbers on Wii's attach ratio and updated xb360's attach?
In and of itself, yes, it does what it supposed to do. However the price/experience for a gamer is questionable when compared to other offerings available. Add games selection and it becomes decidedly more questionable. Not that everyone will question it. Almost 2 million agree with you. The other 98+ million aren't convinced yet.
It is basic economics.
And you know that it's impossible to produce 100 million consoles at USD199 on day 1 right ? Well... heck even for month 3.
Why worry/FUD ? We will just wait and see. Meanwhile I am having loads of fun on my PS3. Check the Resistance thread in GAF. That's the only thread I post there.
If you say so...
Agreed - my prediction was way off.
As you said yourself, "You can talk the talk, but can you... ?"
Why did you pay $40 for the vga cables and only $7 for HDMI? Just curious as one can get the vga cables for much cheaper online, just like HDMI cables.
The MS 360 VGA cable was $40 everywhere in Feb 06 (it still is), no off-brand ones existed to my knowledge. As for HDMI - Monopricre.com, quality cables for cheap. This gets to my point, off the shelf stuff versus 360 proprietary.
Bluetooth headsets, USB keyboard and mouse, HDMI cables - it may not make Sony money but it helps consumers.