Effects of next gen consoles on you to buy a new HDTV?
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True, although VR will be a subset of 3D. FIFA top down won't ever be a candidate for VR. Nor will the likes of other isometric games like Diablo, nor top-downs like Super Stardust.
Chroma subsampling
I mean in terms of development effort, and you can use VR glasses as a static 3D display of course. And doesn't FIFA have or used to have something called pro-mode, that at one time at least included first person support? Could work really great with VR.
Yes, but I don't care to play pro mode. 
Don't want to play first-person football. I would like to have depth on the ball though, making it far easier to track and anticipate where it'll land. Presently the ball looks to be heading towards the goal and just miss, when in reality it's gone way over. That info during play requires depth in the image.
I don't want to go OT discussing how 3D can be implemented. It's just something quite apparent when it comes to picking a TV - 3D had a big push on PS3 and other devices, had some great implementations like Assassin's Creed, had some headache inducing implementations too, and now no-one's talking about it. So is there any value in getting a 3D TV for next-gen gaming? Will it make a comeback, or has 3D TV fizzled out?
Don't want to play first-person football. I would like to have depth on the ball though, making it far easier to track and anticipate where it'll land. Presently the ball looks to be heading towards the goal and just miss, when in reality it's gone way over. That info during play requires depth in the image. I don't want to go OT discussing how 3D can be implemented. It's just something quite apparent when it comes to picking a TV - 3D had a big push on PS3 and other devices, had some great implementations like Assassin's Creed, had some headache inducing implementations too, and now no-one's talking about it. So is there any value in getting a 3D TV for next-gen gaming? Will it make a comeback, or has 3D TV fizzled out?
Well I'm finding it difficult to decide also. The price difference is still quite big - I can get a cheap but really great gaming display in that KDL-655, to the point where I'm thinking that for the livingroom that makes more sense at the moment. But on the other hand I have various 3D movies and some 3D games that play great currently on my 27" PC monitor/TV with passive 3D. So now I'm wondering if I should settle for a cheap short term gaming/livingroom solution (to replace the HD Ready TV) and then just wait until the 'next-gen' 3D stuff comes out or spend the difference on VR product from either Oculus or Sony first.
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If you get the budget for that, then a soundbar + subwoofer could be a very nice replacement to a 5.1/7.1 system. Some of them use really good virtual surround sound algorithms out of Dolby Digital /DTS sources.
Yamaha has a line of "Sound Projectors", that will use the walls of your room to reflect soundwaves and they do get "real" surround sound... assuming your room is rectangular and the sound bar/screen is positioned in the center of one of the walls. Then again, the cheapest one would cost as much as your HDTV alone.
I thought lcd's used rgb and chroma was only for composite ?
Sounds like bullshit to me, how should it be possible for multiple persons to watch "3D" on the same Screen without some predefined viewing angles. How should the TV know what the left and right eye receives. What if 1 persons left eye view of the screen matches 1 persons right eye view, etc.
All this talk just about converting 2D to [strike]3D[/strike] 3D-without-glasses content, which is yet another category of nonsense, and not about how it should work at all.... its maaaaagic!
The display is RGB, but the source material can by in multiple formats to accomodate digital, analogue, and broadcast signals. KOF is saying that HDMI 2 doesn't have enough bandwidth to support uncompressed 2160p (4k) video, so any 4k feed will have to be compressed. Which really doesn't matter as the consoles won't be producing 4k games!
Because there aren't any.
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http://www.avsforum.com/t/1486062/seeing-ultra-d-for-myself
"The optical system consists of several refractive and diffractive layers that, combined with how the LCD subpixels are manipulated by the firmware, project the light from those subpixels out into the space in front of the panel, creating what's called a light field. This generates stereopsis, a sense of depth when viewed with two eyes.
According to Stream TV's white paper, "Virtual and partial subpixels merge in the space and form complete and separate views for each eye of the viewer. Then the viewer's brain takes over, processing them in the same natural way as it is used to in the real world, creating a natural 3D experience. It is very different from 3D display technologies with glasses, which only project two discrete views of a scene. With Ultra-D technology, the viewing areas (light fields) are repeated in a horizontal way, and the transitions between these areas are smooth. So a viewing area is not divided into discrete viewing zones (cones) as is done in most other technologies, but the optical system creates an almost continuous light field in front of the screen."
Because Ultra-D creates a light field rather than two fixed views, it can also reproduce motion parallax, which is the effect you see when objects in your field of view seem to move with respect to each other when you move around them. This does not depend on stereopsis and can be used by those with partial or complete stereo blindness to experience a sense of depth. Apparently, Ultra-D detects objects that are partially occluding (blocking the sight of) other objects and extrapolates what you can't see behind the object in front. When you move while looking at the screen, the objects seem to move relative to each other, allowing you to perceive motion parallax."
One other precaution is that flat panels do not display 4:4:4 by default. Accessing it usually involves rename an input (eg. 'HDMI1) to 'PC' by hand. Some displays still show chroma subsampling even when correctly displaying 4:4:4.
I am not writing this at home so I will be concise and reply to some of the posts another day.
I have finally decided this is going to be my new LED TV, the Philips 32PFL4508H Full HD 3D -the video is short but great, they play a game (among other things) showing how you can play 2D games split screen and watching only your own screen using 3D, so you always play Full Screen-:
The featured game in the video is a racing game.
http://www.elcorteingles.es/tienda/...Action=jump&navCount=0&brandId=&selectedSkuId=
I think 3D has a lot to say now and in the future.
With this TV you get:
- Philips quality
- Smart TV
- 3D Max
- 3D Depth Control
- 2D to 3D converter
- native Full HD
- Miracast support
- Perfect Motion Rate technology
- DLNA support
- a modern TV from 2013 (size can be small for a few people though, but 32" is perfect for my space)
- many more things.
I am going to buy these 3D Max glasses too (Philips PTA 508), Active 3D glasses:
http://www.doneo.com.mt/Product.aspx?prodID=1939
I am also interested in the passive 3D glasses for two people, which are excellent for split screen games and stuff like that, the Philips PTA 436.
How they work is briefly shown in the Youtube video. :smile2:
The TV costs 499€, and the glasses 30€ each, or so. I think this is the best deal I could ever get for a TV. I love the brand and the features, I can't ask for more, I think.
In the end the 1 min. 30 seconds video shown above is self explanatory.
I have finally decided this is going to be my new LED TV, the Philips 32PFL4508H Full HD 3D -the video is short but great, they play a game (among other things) showing how you can play 2D games split screen and watching only your own screen using 3D, so you always play Full Screen-
:The featured game in the video is a racing game.
http://www.elcorteingles.es/tienda/...Action=jump&navCount=0&brandId=&selectedSkuId=
I think 3D has a lot to say now and in the future.
With this TV you get:
- Philips quality
- Smart TV
- 3D Max
- 3D Depth Control
- 2D to 3D converter
- native Full HD
- Miracast support
- Perfect Motion Rate technology
- DLNA support
- a modern TV from 2013
(size can be small for a few people though, but 32" is perfect for my space)- many more things.
I am going to buy these 3D Max glasses too (Philips PTA 508), Active 3D glasses:
http://www.doneo.com.mt/Product.aspx?prodID=1939
I am also interested in the passive 3D glasses for two people, which are excellent for split screen games and stuff like that, the Philips PTA 436.
How they work is briefly shown in the Youtube video. :smile2:
The TV costs 499€, and the glasses 30€ each, or so. I think this is the best deal I could ever get for a TV. I love the brand and the features, I can't ask for more, I think.
In the end the 1 min. 30 seconds video shown above is self explanatory.
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I can't find any testing figures on the lag response on that Philips TV ...
That splits screen thing using the glasses is something that was pioneered by Sony. I wonder if it is compatible with their system? It needs to be supported by games after all, otherwise it will be pretty pointless.
That splits screen thing using the glasses is something that was pioneered by Sony. I wonder if it is compatible with their system? It needs to be supported by games after all, otherwise it will be pretty pointless.
My friend can do split screen coop with Borderlands 2 on his LG on PS3, so it must be a format that's 'standardised' for other manufacturers. As a passive 3DTV, there are two sets of glasses each with both eyes on each polarisation.
Sigfried1977
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I'm happy with my 50 inch Plasma. (Samsung PS 50 B850) It's super responsive and sports a wonderfully natural color reproduction. Very handsome tv too. Gets a little too hot during the summer months, though. (I guess that's the price you pay for a tv that's merely an inch deep)
Sigfried1977
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It's a case of The Emperor's New Clothes basically, and about as meaningless as a 4 K display at typical living room viewing distances. You can always press your nose up against the screen and pretend to be really impressed of course.
Might be worth it if you want to use the tv for work, but despite advancements in technology, plasma panels still aren't very well suited to displaying static images for extended periods of time. Text might be a little sharper (it's still perfectly readable on older panels mind you), but what does it matter when the text is already discolored thanks to image retention?
DuckThor Evil
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It's funny if and when the VR head sets with a huge FOV starts to become popular and then reading about your ( in plural) "720p is enough" and "putting your nose to the screen" comments. It wont be even nearly enough then and it's not enough today if one sits at a distance where you actually see something of the finer details. I understand that for many putting up an actual proper gaming environment is a difficult task in a "typical living room", but there is a large upside if you do.
In case you haven't noticed, IRL light comes pretty close to your eyes too, the FOV is pretty large, environment is in high res and things look impressive. I wish I could only see 720p
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It's also a shame that movie theaters now have 4K-projectors for us to actually see some detail on the screen instead of the blurry mess that it used to be with 2K digital projectors.