Ecstasy 'reverses' Parkinson's disease
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If you don't brush your teeth and eat very little for 10 years you'd look exactly like those pics.;-)
Considering Meth is a appetite suppressant, those pictures don't seem all that shocking.
Of course what happens on the inside is a different story.
Considering Meth is a appetite suppressant, those pictures don't seem all that shocking.
Of course what happens on the inside is a different story.
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Are you really suggesting that meth use isn't detrimental, but it was impurities that cause this?bloodbob said:
Meth doesn't make you look like that. Its the lifestyle changes that are often associated with it that do. (Bad diet, lack of exercise, little to no hygiene, etc)
Also, the case is anecdotal, I could pull out a picture of a girl at 16 and show her progression to obesity without the drug or whatever. Im sure I can also find pictures of habitual Meth users who look pretty normal.
Not that im endorsing the drug, far from it, but those sorts of shots are a scare tactic that seems to me to be a little off and generally a disservice to truth.
Also, the case is anecdotal, I could pull out a picture of a girl at 16 and show her progression to obesity without the drug or whatever. Im sure I can also find pictures of habitual Meth users who look pretty normal.
Not that im endorsing the drug, far from it, but those sorts of shots are a scare tactic that seems to me to be a little off and generally a disservice to truth.
Fred said:
hmm but its funny that meth is that CAUSE of those things. keeps you up for days at a time but doesnt let you eat. that's not very good for your body.
I'm sure you could find some short-term meth users or occasional meth users who look normal. But, heavy use of it is terrible abuse on the body and mind.
_xxx_ said:
Lemme just ask you how many people in the world are on Prozac, Valium or some other drug? And some of them are just as hooked as crack addicts.
And something for everyone.... whats worse, someone addicted to Valium or person that smokes a joint now and then? Who has bigger problem in this case?
But illegal drugs are often the very same as legal drugs, it's just the context that changes._xxx_ said:
Opiates (of which heroine is but one) have long been used for severe pain relief and sedation. Amphetamines (of which caffeine is related) have been used for relieving tiredness to fighting obesity. Marijuana has been used to help relieve the symptoms of many chronic diseases, such as multiple sclerosis. South American Indians chew coca leaves (the base product for cocaine) to cure or relieve symptoms for a wide range of conditions. LSD has been used in relieving pain in terminal cancer patients as well as treating schizophrenics (look up Psychopharmacology). MDMA (Ecstasy) was patented way back in 1912 as part of a styptic (a drug intended to control bleeding from wounds.) It is now being shown to possibly help Parkinson's sufferers.
The blanket idea that legal drugs = Good and illegal drugs = Bad is far too simplistic. All drugs can be 'bad' if abused and all drugs can have 'good' effects if used in a controlled manner.
Diplo said:
Thoretically only. While the active agent is the same, illegal drugs are nowhere near as pure as the legal ones, lots of junk in there.
And as I said, legal drugs are just as bad when abused.
I see the effect weed has on me, that's already not that nice (laziness, nervousness, much harder on lungs than cigarettes etc.). I don't even want to imagine how it feels with cocaine or heroine.
Blitzkrieg
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Meth does have one very direct bad effect on the body. It dries out the saliva and the saliva glands dont function as well. So the teeth dry out and start rotting. Google "meth mouth".
With XTC afaik constant use of it, as someone already said, burns out the dopamine producers which afaik lead to alzheimers. Large XTC users im sure have been shown to have large "holes" in their brain.
Ill stick to the weekend pot
That guy with the alcohol and XTC, rofl. It is well known that if you scull any high% alcoholic drink that the sudden rush of alcohol to the heart can stop it.
With XTC afaik constant use of it, as someone already said, burns out the dopamine producers which afaik lead to alzheimers. Large XTC users im sure have been shown to have large "holes" in their brain.
Ill stick to the weekend pot
That guy with the alcohol and XTC, rofl. It is well known that if you scull any high% alcoholic drink that the sudden rush of alcohol to the heart can stop it.
Diplo-Bill Hicks said:
The problem with drug abuse is that many of the users commit crimes to pay for their habit and hence do harm to other people. There is also a problem that many users are unaware of how destructive the drugs they are taking really are.
Blitzkrieg said:With XTC afaik constant use of it, as someone already said, burns out the dopamine producers which afaik lead to alzheimers. Large XTC users im sure have been shown to have large "holes" in their brain.
Ill stick to the weekend pot
MDMA reduces serotonin production in the long term (though has effects on dopamine as well as it alters neural transmission). There is a discussion at present whether even a single mild dose of MDMA can cause damage to serotonergic neurons and therefore should not even ever be administered. Whether this effect is reversible or not is also still being debated, but some neurons will die off as a result of MDMA use, and only a limited number of them can ever regrow. As what for what affects this will have later on is still not known exactly. It will likely cause memory problems and perhaps other mental inabilities, but as for its relation to Alzheimer’s I don’t believe there are any substantial links at present.
As marijuana affects things such as discrimination learning and short-term memory I wouldn’t use that either if you value your brain in the long term.
zifnab said:
Uhm... No.
Desperate heroin users can kill for a dose, but so-called "recreational drugs" such as ones used in clubs really have little to do with the freaks roaming the streets asking for change, robbing and sometimes killing people.
XTC or cocaine users, mainly clubbers and party-animals in general, have money to pay for getting into the clubs, and to pay for the drugs. And when they don't, their mates do.
Drugs are all bad, but it's good to differentiate differnt kinds of drugs, contexts and users.
Like how many other drugs give you cotton mouth HEAPS. Its far from limited to amphetamines its far from limited to even stimulants.Blitzkrieg said:
They used to put the stuff in cough medicine for gods sakes. The main effect of heroin is after its metaoblised to morphine so its no worse then codine in your OTC pain killer ( trying to deliver heroin into the system so it has a similar effect to codine is very hard though you would basicly need to be on a IV drip ). Its the manner in which the drug is used that is the problem.
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