early screenshots taken on NV30

[Snap]

Snap,

I'm just saying that while we say no hardware all this amounts to is marketing spoilers for ATi's release

I can see that you are so annoyed by this sharing of NV30 pics that you were compelled to come out of lurking mode and register. Interesting.

Anyway, even if what you say was their intention, you're going to open your mouth and bitch at them? What's wrong with hyping your own product while trying to grab attention away from your competitors products? Where were you screaming and crying when it was said that Doom 3 used ATI's next-generation hardware at E3. Where were you crying and saying that they were only doing that to spoil nVidia's GF4 release?

In any case, both companies were simply hyping their products. Nothing wrong with that.

Well, by the time the E3 Doom demo came about I personally wouldn't say it was spoiling GF4's release since it had been released and available quite a few months before then. I'd also say at least ATi were choosing something that would have relevance to gamers in the near future and they did so with actual hardware. So, marketing? Of course, but at least it was done with real hardware.

 

[Althornin]

Snap, why didn't ATI tell us in the middle of June what Radeon 9700 was all about? Or back in May when JC used it in his Doom3 demo. Because, you don't want to tip your hands too early.

In any event, I've had enough of this back and forth argument in every thread . I'll be back say the early part of September , seeya !!!

You know, I am sick of this "threats to leave" BS from some members who should be a little more mature?
I mean, just ignore it, hello?
I for one find all of the "if YOU guys dont change to suit me, i am gone!" type posts to be extraordinarily ego-centric, selfish and pathetic.
I like you for the most part, Ben, and i enjoy your information, but until you can learn to ignore the unsavory elements, you will forever be driven from places you like. You need to sit back, and say "These fucktards dont matter".
If you cant do that, well, bye. Its not our fault you are leaving, its yours.
So dont try any more of your "pin it on the other members" speeches pelase.

 

[Andergum]

You people are all crazy.

LOLOLOLOLOL!!! too true..


Gee imagine that, a company is actually hyping its products BEFORE they sell them!



I mean this kind of thinking is going to revolutionize the advertising industry!!!

Those evil bastards!!!



yeah

uh huh...

 

[Prime]

You know, I am sick of this "threats to leave" BS from some members who should be a little more mature?
I mean, just ignore it, hello?
I for one find all of the "if YOU guys dont change to suit me, i am gone!" type posts to be extraordinarily ego-centric, selfish and pathetic.
I like you for the most part, Ben, and i enjoy your information, but until you can learn to ignore the unsavory elements, you will forever be driven from places you like. You need to sit back, and say "These fucktards dont matter".
If you cant do that, well, bye. Its not our fault you are leaving, its yours.
So dont try any more of your "pin it on the other members" speeches pelase.

If you're not nicer to Ben, I'm Leaving!!

 

[Qroach]

Hellbinder

Um becuase its not even august yet and the Nv30 does not ship till november???

I guess Nvidia gave you that informaiton to leak to us? It must be this Nvidia marketing ploy. Look, you don't know when it's going to launch, so just shut up about it please.

 

[X-Reaper]

Those are nice looking screens from the NV30.

Anybody seen the ones from ATi? Really impressive too.

http://gearmedia.ign.com/gear/image/ati_9700_preview_car_big.jpg

http://gearmedia.ign.com/gear/image/ati_9700_preview_bear_big.jpg

http://gearmedia.ign.com/gear/image/ati_9700_preview_balls_big.jpg

Anyways, I don't see why this would spoil ATi's launch. A lot of people will just go by the reviews in making a decision to buy the Radeon or not.

 

[Andergum]

Sweet pics!!!


Well I guess ATI has figured out this marketing thing too.. imagine that.



hehe, can't stop laughing at the name of the last pic...

ati_9700_preview_balls_big

 

[demalion]

It seems to me that it could all be a fake and misrepresentation or misunderstanding.

It seems to me that it is likely that these images are released to counter the press the R300 is receiving, or atleast maintain awareness of the NV30 in the face of it.

But...

It also seems to me that any DX 9 card is perfectly capable of rendering any image like those using its own shader instructions. It seems to me that both ATi and nVidia have developed tools capable of taking any type of shader instructions used in Maya for rendering these images previously and having the card render them now (very quickly).

Therefore...

It seems to me the only requisite to believe these are NOT a fake or misrepresentation is to believe that nVidia has a functioning NV30 card somewhere.

Which, actually...isn't hard to believe at all given their announced release dates...I mean, we've had running Hammers demonstrated already this year.

So even though they might be a fake, it seems to me ridiculous to assume they have to be at this point, though it does not seem unreasonable to ask for more information (which, unless I'm mistaken, is what is being done in any case).

Finally...

It seems to me there is no point in quesitoning ben's integrity or accusing him of being a liar for sharing these images, in any circumstance.

 

[OpenGL guy]

Anybody seen the ones from ATi? Really impressive too.

The car demo is really sweet. I was also impressed by the Ani Music demo. Last year, the same Ani Music demo was presented at Siggraph, but it was prerendered. This year it was done real time on the R300 It's a fun demo.

I never saw the LotR demo... guess I'll have to pull some strings and see how that one looks.

 

[Brent]

Those are nice looking screens from the NV30.

Anybody seen the ones from ATi? Really impressive too.

http://gearmedia.ign.com/gear/image/ati_9700_preview_car_big.jpg

http://gearmedia.ign.com/gear/image/ati_9700_preview_bear_big.jpg

http://gearmedia.ign.com/gear/image/ati_9700_preview_balls_big.jpg

Anyways, I don't see why this would spoil ATi's launch. A lot of people will just go by the reviews in making a decision to buy the Radeon or not.

Yep, ATI showed those demo's in action at their launch event for the R300

And you can dl the video's yourself from ATI: http://www.ati.com/developer/demos/r9000.html

 

[Hellbinder]

It seems to me that it could all be a fake and misrepresentation or misunderstanding.

It seems to me that it is likely that these images are released to counter the press the R300 is receiving, or atleast maintain awareness of the NV30 in the face of it.

But...

It also seems to me that any DX 9 card is perfectly capable of rendering any image like those using its own shader instructions. It seems to me that both ATi and nVidia have developed tools capable of taking any type of shader instructions used in Maya for rendering these images previously and having the card render them now (very quickly).

Therefore...

It seems to me the only requisite to believe these are NOT a fake or misrepresentation is to believe that nVidia has a functioning NV30 card somewhere.

Which, actually...isn't hard to believe at all given their announced release dates...I mean, we've had running Hammers demonstrated already this year.

So even though they might be a fake, it seems to me ridiculous to assume they have to be at this point, though it does not seem unreasonable to ask for more information (which, unless I'm mistaken, is what is being done in any case).

Finally...

It seems to me there is no point in quesitoning ben's integrity or accusing him of being a liar for sharing these images, in any circumstance.

Well the problem for me is... first these supposed demos pre-exsisted the Nv30 for a while now..and can be seen here
http://www.exluna.com/products/gallery.html

They clearly were not done on Nv30.

The bigger issue for me is that Had ATi done this,, the sky would have already fallen at Sites like HardOCP etc...

 

[John Reynolds]

Thanks for pics, Ben. Unfortunate that this thread had to turn into yet another ATi vs. Nvidia pissing match.