Princess_Frosty said:
As far as i understand the programs help the game developers develop their video engines so that they communicate with the drivers better, this helps them create the same visual effects with better performance, fine tune video graphics so game specific optimisations can be made and help elimiate any visual bugs BEFORE the game is released, rather than afterwards.
Hmm, thats just dev support. Let me give you an overview of GITG and TWIMTBP:
IHV: so I have money, lots of money.
DEV: I'm poor, it costs a lot of money to bring out a game and the enviroment is risky.
IHV: If you become my love slave, I will pay you.
DEV: Doesn't seem so bad. What do I have to do.
IHV: whatever I tell you. Mostly just make me happy, by making me look better.
DEV: well, I do need the money.
Sure, its the crass version but its a lot closer to the truth than this, lets partner to help the consumer BS.
The end users benefits from this because while usualy these sorts of things get sorted out, its not usualy untill a patch afterwards.
Reality and Facts do not support your argument.
Since the game devs work along side the hardware devs nothing gets disabled feature wise which isnt considerd a good decision between both of them. If either companys tried to force these restrictions you'd know about it as the game devs would speak up about it.
So I guess it was my imagination that nVidia had convinced EA to do vendor detection and only turn of certain special effect features if it was an nvidia card..
And I'm sure that the people who buy an NV6800 are going to be happy playing in PS1.1 mode with far cry and other games which are doing vendor detection of render paths.
Nvidia and ATI make the hardware and yes they have a responsability to provide education on how to use it, however that doesn't mean they HAVE to, its not some law they have to abide by. They are providing support in areas where they don't nesiceirly have to, and thats benefiting the end users.
Actually they provide optimization and hardware expertise to developers regardless of if they are in the love slave programs. You see, they dev support and the love slave programs have NOTHING to do with each other. This is born out by fact and example within the industry.
Theres plenty of ways that these programs benefit the end users, at the end of the day Nvidia and ATI are companies, they make money thats their job, this support is there to ensure their customers get the best use out of their hardware. At the end of the day if im getting a game which is MORE bug free and runs better on my hardware beacuse the devs have worked together then its a bonus.
1. You have yet to articulate 1 way in which these programs benefit end users. You keep mentioning dev support, but developers get dev support regardless of whether or not they are in these programs, so it obviously isn't dev support.
2. There is no proof or evidence that TWIMTBP or GITG produce less buggy games on the respective hardware.
Im not going to faff about moaning that a certain feature has been disabled which is probably something i can't use anyways because the frame rates would be really bad.
Oh, only if this was true and this was the case. But sadly it isn't and is not where the problem lies.
Maybe you should enlighten me as to how these evil coperations are deliberatly harming the people that buy their products. Sounds to me like you're just sore about something.
Artificially segmenting a small but innovative part of the entertainment market for there personal gain at the expense of the consumer. Putting in vendor detection into games that prevents future products from using features that they are capable of using. Using proprietary extentions/interfaces when public extentions/interfaces are available that will do the exact same thing. Lying about it to the consumer. Having features which competitor cards are perfectly capable of running disabled if a competitor's card is detected. Doing Vendor ID detection and only running the game if said vendor ID is detected. Preventing consumers with competitor's cards from running the game.
TWIMTBP and GITG are the bastard children of satan that at best have zero benefit for consumers, and at worst cause irrepairable harm.
, I remember you from HardOCP when I used to go there and thats all you ever did, all for the holy grail of Nvidia, I could go there and pull out hundreds of ripe Fan type quotes and trolling statements and have fun doing so. 
