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Dan Vivoli: Consoles won't replace PC as a gaming platform?
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What do you want him to say? That PCs as gaming machines have no future? The argument about performance may be valid today but we're moving towards a situation where artists and ultimately development costs are becoming the primary bottleneck. And as was pointed out by Jen-Hsun PC design lifecycles will be longer giving the PC even less of an advantage in the respect in the future. Not to mention that consoles are simply where the money is and that won't change.
I do think PC have their functions as gaming machines however. For an upstart developer it's certainly one of the easier ways of getting into the business and there are arguably still game genres that are better suited for PCs than consoles.
I do think PC have their functions as gaming machines however. For an upstart developer it's certainly one of the easier ways of getting into the business and there are arguably still game genres that are better suited for PCs than consoles.
zidane1strife
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we're moving towards a situation where artists and ultimately development costs are becoming the primary bottleneck.
Not to mention that consoles are simply where the money is and that won't change.
Yes, Indeed. To pay for the multimillion dollar dev. costs.... you're going to need multimillion game sales...
console GAMING has already replaced PC GAMING with all the multi million sellers titles....
but consoles will not replace PC's simply because of the things u can do on a PC that u cannot do on a console...
and to be honest i rather have a box which is designed for gaming to give the best experience and another box for other things rather than one single box which tries to do everything at the same time
but consoles will not replace PC's simply because of the things u can do on a PC that u cannot do on a console...
and to be honest i rather have a box which is designed for gaming to give the best experience and another box for other things rather than one single box which tries to do everything at the same time
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Exactly my thoughts - for millions, console gaming already has replaced PC gaming.
Actually not quite true. Console games have always outsold their PC counterparts, back in the NES days a 100K sales mark on the PC was a staggering blockbuster, while SMB moved 40Million units.
PC gaming won't go away. I just don't see CivIV being too great on a console, and FPSs are still an awful lot better on a PC. As far as Sony's comments, you know how much dough they have made off of Evercrack?
What I ment to say is that many have already jumped from PC gaming to console gaming. I am one of those. Of course, one will never really replace the other, but quite frankly, I don't consider todays PC market being much of one. Too many genres are just lacking IMO and with a few exceptions, I can't think of much that's coming out on PC soon that would catch my interest [Doom 3 and a few strategy games being an exception).
Phil said:What I ment to say is that many have already jumped from PC gaming to console gaming. I am one of those. Of course, one will never really replace the other, but quite frankly, I don't consider todays PC market being much of one. Too many genres are just lacking IMO and with a few exceptions, I can't think of much that's coming out on PC soon that would catch my interest [Doom 3 and a few strategy games being an exception).
Don't worry the game systems will hit a wall too and everything will feel like you've played it 50 billion times again. It happened back in the atari days and its starting to happen now. Almost everything is sequals and what not.
The hardware may slow down on the pc side but the jumps might actually be bigger. Instead of of a jump from the geforce 3 - geforce 4 mabye we will see more jumps like the geforce 4- the radeon 9700.
Currently gpus really come out once a year and a small speed increase in the same design half way through to make more money. Whats the diffrence if we see the 9700pro , then the 9800pro with a minior speed increase , then another 6 months later another speed increase and then 6 months after that another chip that double its speed. It wont be as slow as it was.
Then of course if the computer graphics side of things slow down its most likely all sides of things. Everyone is saying the costs are getting very high for fabs under .9 . I doubt sony will be unaffected by this when they move to .65nm . IT simply makes sense that the limitations will carry across the board.
Ps3 will not be the death bell for the computer gaming sector. They have been saying that for as long as i can remember and the pcs have weathered the ps2 , psone , supernintendo. It never had huge sales but esp now it doesn't have too. If you sell 500,000 copys of a game and then 200000 pay 10 dollars a month after that to play it for a year or two thats much better than selling a million games for a system at 50 bucks a game.
Also the slow down will allow the developers and hardware enthusists (sp?) to catch up . Only 8 % of gamers own a 9700 class hardware. Most people still use tnts and geforce mxs . That is what the pc games are being designed for. Thats the minimum. With galaxies and the new everquest and doom3 we will see geforce and geforce 2 cards as the lowest card able to play them. And those games compare quite well to the ps2 games of today on hardware as old as the ps2 games.
I don't see it going anywhere.
It's foolish to predict the PC's death. Even back in SNES days, people were saying that consoles would destroy PCs as a gaming platform.
Not going to happen.
The day when televisions will have 1600*1200 resolution, consoles are packaged with mouse and keyboard, and console games will have bustling Mod communities and other 3rd-party enhancements, PC gaming will die.
I don't see that day ever coming.
As a fanatic Warcraft III mapper, I can tell you that consoles will never fully replace PCs if only for one thing - the mapping/modification community. All the legal hassle on consoles, not to mention the lack of a hard drive, make mapping and modding impossible for console games - the Xbox's hard drive has not, so far, heralded a new age of console game mods. Although the idea might seem foreign to a pure console gamer, a lot of PC gamers pick up games like Half-Life, Quake 3, or Warcraft III because of the 3rd party modifications for it.
PC gaming is actually doing considerably better vs. console gaming compared to Ye Old Days. As BenSkywalker said, console games used to outsell PC games by an overwhelming margin. Nowadays, PC games like Warcraft III and The Sims can easily keep up with the likes of GTA3 and Halo.
Not going to happen.
The day when televisions will have 1600*1200 resolution, consoles are packaged with mouse and keyboard, and console games will have bustling Mod communities and other 3rd-party enhancements, PC gaming will die.
I don't see that day ever coming.
As a fanatic Warcraft III mapper, I can tell you that consoles will never fully replace PCs if only for one thing - the mapping/modification community. All the legal hassle on consoles, not to mention the lack of a hard drive, make mapping and modding impossible for console games - the Xbox's hard drive has not, so far, heralded a new age of console game mods. Although the idea might seem foreign to a pure console gamer, a lot of PC gamers pick up games like Half-Life, Quake 3, or Warcraft III because of the 3rd party modifications for it.
PC gaming is actually doing considerably better vs. console gaming compared to Ye Old Days. As BenSkywalker said, console games used to outsell PC games by an overwhelming margin. Nowadays, PC games like Warcraft III and The Sims can easily keep up with the likes of GTA3 and Halo.
It's foolish to think console gaming will replace PC gaming. It's been touted for such a long time now that it would happen, but it hasn't yet nor will it in the next 10 years. It's certainly true that console gaming has eclipsed PC gaming many years ago, but not replace it. It's two different markets with two different end audiences. Reasons why PC gaming doesn't sell so good has to do with rampant piracy that will probably never get solved. PC gaming sales will most likely grow as console gaming sales grow, but at a slower rate.
As for PC gaming becoming niche, that may happen simply for the fact that console gaming will double by the time PC gaming grows 50%. There's still a market there to make money, and you better believe that devs will stick in there to make that money.
As for PC gaming becoming niche, that may happen simply for the fact that console gaming will double by the time PC gaming grows 50%. There's still a market there to make money, and you better believe that devs will stick in there to make that money.
The console market is so big that I don't get to experience more than 1% of the games. Walking into a store and looking at the wall of games is just overload. You would think with all the games being released for consoles, more diversity in games would exist. Sadly most games are just "me too" games following trends.
Consoles are video game kings, but the PC will probably still do ok. If you want to play a good flight simulator you need a PC. A game like Warcraft 3 plays well on the mouse keyboard combination on a PC. First Person Shooters also work well with a mouse and keyboard. The one thing the PC needs is a standerized controller for platform style games. The controller needs to be equped as a standard issue like a mouse from Dell, Gateway, and other big PC companies.
Consoles are video game kings, but the PC will probably still do ok. If you want to play a good flight simulator you need a PC. A game like Warcraft 3 plays well on the mouse keyboard combination on a PC. First Person Shooters also work well with a mouse and keyboard. The one thing the PC needs is a standerized controller for platform style games. The controller needs to be equped as a standard issue like a mouse from Dell, Gateway, and other big PC companies.
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